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1 | Sickness Brings God Glory? | 1 Pet 2:24 | atdcross | 165914 | ||
Thanks for your response, Mark. Please allow me to leave a response also for "other readers to ponder". Please note, although we may know where each other stands, there is no problem (on my part, at least), since no one is trying to convince the other, to exchange views on the different texts that support each other's position. 1. In accordance to Eph 5:20, does anyone ever thank God that children are being raped, that the cancer patient is going through pain? 2.If (1) sickness is God's will for believers and (2) sickness brings God glory, why (1) pray for healing in the first place, and (2) if we do get healed, why not pray we get sick again? 3. The good things that come out of affliction (1) do not come out automatically, (2) depend on the person's response. Suffering can either bring a person nearer or further from God. Believing that God's intention is that his children be healthy is not a matter of "humanity" but a matter of God's word (Psalm 103:3; 3 John 2; Malachi 4:2; Matthew 7:11). From my perspective, believing God's desire is to heal all who are sick (Jesus' practice in the Gospels) and for us to be healthy is, at least, one thing that "the Sovereign Lord has determined will make me like Jesus". There are many verses in the Bible where God grants healing. In all seriousness (there is no sarcasm intended at all), (1) I have not yet found a verse in the Bible where God promises sickness. (2) Matt 4:23 does not read that Jesus went making people sick. |
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2 | Sickness Brings God Glory? | 1 Pet 2:24 | Searcher56 | 165928 | ||
God's day to you, atdcross, In John 5:1-8, do you think the man He healed was the only one at the pool? I think so, therefore it was not His will to heal all ... not did He heal all when He was on earth. He also healed when there was personal contact. 1 Corinthians 11:28-30 tells us if we patake of the Lord's Supper the wrong way we could get sick or die. I am not saying that all sickness is the result of sin ... look at Job (Job 1-2). God did promise disease to Israel (Deu 28:21-22,27) if they did not obey (vs 15). Timothy was sick (1 Tim 5:23) as well as Trophimus (2 Tim 4:20), as well as Paul (2 Cor 12:7-10; Gal 4:13-15). Reading this post ... Ephesians 5:20 ... always and everything is absolute. Job did this (Job 1:21). WHEN believers get sick, is it not God's will, even if we are following Him? Psalm 103:3 ... all it says is He is the one who heals, as well as other things 3 John 2 ... this is John's prayer Malachi 4:2 ... the context is in the future Matthew 7:11 ... is about God giving good gifts, no mention of healing. Searcher |
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3 | Sickness Brings God Glory? | 1 Pet 2:24 | atdcross | 166682 | ||
John 5:1-8. If no one else was there and not all were healed when he was on the earth, even so, it is irrelevant; it proves absolutely nothing concerning God’s will to heal. It is God’s will to heal; whether or not one or all are healed is another thing. The fact that God wills certain things does not necessarily mean it will occur. 1 Corinthians 11:28-30. It is God’s will to judge the unrighteous, especially of the "household of faith". Those in the Corinthian church were sick because they sinned and God executed judgment against them. Regarding Job: (1) although God allowed it, it was Satan who made him sick, and (2) in any case, Job’s experience is unique and should not be applied to every believer who becomes sick (that is, not unless they can claim to be blameless and avoids evil over and above every other believer, cf. Job 1:8; 2:3). God did promise disease if Israel was unfaithful. However, what does the Bible say if Israel, as a nation, was obedient? Would they still experience diseases or would God heal them? Timothy’s ailment did not require a miracle of healing to remove it. The Bible doesn’t read that Trophimus was not healed but only that when Paul left, he was still sick. Could he not have been healed sometime afterwards? Let it be clear that I am not arguing Christians do not get sick. I am asserting that (1) it is God’s will that His people be healthy, therefore, (2) it is God’s desire to heal all who are sick. If someone close to you were racked with pain from cancer, would you tell him or her they are being blessed with cancer? Would you pray, “Lord, I thank you that they have cancer and it is painful for them. Their pain is a blessing and shows how good you are to them. Jesus, don’t heal them. Don’t take away such a wonderful blessing. Thank you, Good Lord, for cancer”? Or, with respect to suffering, why don’t we thank God for all the children being raped, mutilated, and murdered? Maybe we should pray God would put it into the hearts of evil men to rape more children since suffering is such a blessing. (My statements above are not meant to reflect any disrespect). Job did not thank God that he lost everything, especially his children. What we have in 1:21 and 2:10 (cf. TEV) is Job’s affirmation of God’s goodness despite the tragedies he experienced. Ps. 103:3. Then the first portion of this verse should be interpreted in the same way, that is, all that is said is that God is the one who forgives, as well as other things; it does not necessarily mean that it is God’s will to forgive all believers (those following Him). 3 Jn 2. So you are, in essence, saying John’s prayer and desire here does not reflect God’s will. If that is the case, then verses 4,11, and 15a seem not to reflect God’s will either. Actually, it can be said, if you are correct, that this epistle was not written under divine inspiration but was merely John's view of things. Mal 4:2. If you are correct and this verse has no reference for us now, then verse 5-6 is with reference to a future fulfillment also and has no reference to anytime before or at present. Matt 7:11. No mention is made of forgiveness either, or eternal life. Besides, when is someone healing another not a “good gift” (or, “good thing”, TEV)? Please search the Bible and let me know where it says or demonstrates that God’s will is to make those who are faithful (i.e. believing and following) to Him sick. To date, I have not found any. |
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