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1 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | atdcross | 164063 | ||
Hello Mark, John 11:3-4: I understand what is stated but it is the intended meaning that is important and, on the basis of other verses and God’s revealed character (at least, to me), what is for the glory of God is not the sickness but the healing. The emphasis is on the healing/resurrection of Lazarus, not his sickness/death (cf. v.40-42). One comments that Jesus “does not connect his ministry to the sickness by affirming ‘that the Son of God may be glorified by it’…Jesus will be glorified when he raises Lazarus from the grave because of the manifestation of His omnipotent power as deity.” Another says, the “...the glory of God is...his activity.” In John 9, Jesus dismisses the question as irrelevant. The “works of God” are not revealed in the man’s malady but in Jesus’ power to heal. Eph 2:5 – That the work of the Cross for salvation is complete and final does not necessarily mean that our experience is also. Although we have the fullness of Christ in us, there are moments where we are apt(not necessarily) to stumble. Also, “bad things” do occur against God’s will (Luke 13:34). Whether or not there is purpose in suffering is not the focus my point. My point is that suffering is not Father’s will or intention for his children (Jer 29:11). Sickness, in particular, has no purpose at all except to disrupt God’s will for us. My general reading of the Bible does not see suffering or sickness itself as good, especially good for God’s children (or anyone else). Suffering and sickness are enemies of God and must be defeated and overcome. Suffering does not necessarily result in blessing; therefore, the blessing is not in the suffering/sickness but in overcoming it. And although suffering is bad and not God’s intention, suffering for the sake of Christ is a reality not to be denied and something to embrace for the purpose of overcoming the evil world and exhibiting Jesus Lordship over all. Sometimes the falsity of a doctrine is not so much in the teaching itself as in the spirit one approaches and presents it to others. |
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2 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | BradK | 164076 | ||
Dear atdcross, I must interject on this matter, my friend. It is not so much that I disagree with your viewpoint- which I do- as it is your highly speculative logic that brings you there. 1. You state: "John 11:3-4: I understand what is stated but it is the intended meaning that is important and, on the basis of other verses and God’s revealed character (at least, to me), what is for the glory of God is not the sickness but the healing." You are wrong and you are twisting scripture! His (Lazarus) sickness was "for the glory of God"- NOT the healing. So stated. 2. You state: "Whether or not there is purpose in suffering is not the focus my point. My point is that suffering is not Father’s will or intention for his children (Jer 29:11). Sickness, in particular, has no purpose at all except to disrupt God’s will for us." What is the Biblical support for these claims? 3. You state: "My general reading of the Bible does not see suffering or sickness itself as good, especially good for God’s children (or anyone else). Suffering and sickness are enemies of God and must be defeated and overcome." I beg to differ! This is speculation at best. Please demonstrate from scripture that your view has any merit. If I may offer an observation, it might be best at this point to discontinue this discussion as I see it leading to serious arguments that aren't edifying! Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | atdcross | 164077 | ||
Mark, If I have given you the impression that I am arguing with you, that was not my intention and I apologize for the anything I have stated that may have sounded argumentative. My goal on these boards is not to try a prove that my views are correct and others are wrong but just to share how I believe God has spoken to me and be encouraged with how god has spoken to others. |
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4 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | atdcross | 164081 | ||
Oops #2, aagh! my posting (#164077) should have been directed to BradK and not Mark, sorry (my left eye got crossed with my right eye)...sorry, Mark... | ||||||