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1 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | mark d seyler | 164043 | ||
Hi Atdcross, Please look at these verses carefully: Joh 11:3 Then the sisters sent to Him, saying, Lord, behold, the one whom You love is sick. Joh 11:4 And hearing, Jesus said, This is not sickness to death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God be glorified by it. "This is not sickness to death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God be glorified by it." This sickness had a purpose. It's purpose was that Jesus be glorified. This was not a judgment against Lazarus. Your statement that sickness serves no purpose conflicts with Scripture. Joh 9:2 And His disciples asked Him, saying, Teacher, who sinned, this one, or his parents, that he was born blind? Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither this one nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God might be revealed in him. Not as a result of sin was this man born blind, but that works of God might be revealed in him. God wished to reveal His works in this man, so he was born blind. This man's blindness, just like Lazarus' sickness, served God's purpose. Look at Eph 2:5, we are "made alive together" with Christ. This is an aorist verb - a completed action whose result continues. We have been made alive. Not partly alive. Alive. We are not partially saved. If you are correct, then God's predestination of our lives isn't very effective if all these "bad" things keep slipping in against His will and contrary to His purpose. Scripture plainly teaches that suffering in the life of the believe: a) serves a purpose b) is limited and moderated by God A careful examination of all passages, especially in the New Testament that use the words "suffer", "suffering", "suffers", "affliction", and their synonyms will reveal God's purpose, and promises, concerning suffering, including illness. Its not bad. For the child of God, it's all good! Your "physical prosperity" doctrine is not taught in the Bible. By it you would rob us of the blessings God disguises in suffering. This false teaching would deny us the oppurtunity to share in the sufferings of Christ, as He also was tested, and tempted, in Every way we are. Now every test comes from without. Some come from within. Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | atdcross | 164063 | ||
Hello Mark, John 11:3-4: I understand what is stated but it is the intended meaning that is important and, on the basis of other verses and God’s revealed character (at least, to me), what is for the glory of God is not the sickness but the healing. The emphasis is on the healing/resurrection of Lazarus, not his sickness/death (cf. v.40-42). One comments that Jesus “does not connect his ministry to the sickness by affirming ‘that the Son of God may be glorified by it’…Jesus will be glorified when he raises Lazarus from the grave because of the manifestation of His omnipotent power as deity.” Another says, the “...the glory of God is...his activity.” In John 9, Jesus dismisses the question as irrelevant. The “works of God” are not revealed in the man’s malady but in Jesus’ power to heal. Eph 2:5 – That the work of the Cross for salvation is complete and final does not necessarily mean that our experience is also. Although we have the fullness of Christ in us, there are moments where we are apt(not necessarily) to stumble. Also, “bad things” do occur against God’s will (Luke 13:34). Whether or not there is purpose in suffering is not the focus my point. My point is that suffering is not Father’s will or intention for his children (Jer 29:11). Sickness, in particular, has no purpose at all except to disrupt God’s will for us. My general reading of the Bible does not see suffering or sickness itself as good, especially good for God’s children (or anyone else). Suffering and sickness are enemies of God and must be defeated and overcome. Suffering does not necessarily result in blessing; therefore, the blessing is not in the suffering/sickness but in overcoming it. And although suffering is bad and not God’s intention, suffering for the sake of Christ is a reality not to be denied and something to embrace for the purpose of overcoming the evil world and exhibiting Jesus Lordship over all. Sometimes the falsity of a doctrine is not so much in the teaching itself as in the spirit one approaches and presents it to others. |
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3 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | mark d seyler | 164066 | ||
Hi Atdcross, If God has revealed something to you then it would agree with Scripture. But what you claim is God's revelation to you does not agree with Scripture, therefore, it cannot be from God. If you correctly understand the meaning of a certain Scripture, then your understanding would not be in conflict with any other Scripture. You find yourself in the unsavory position of stating that the words of Scripture say one thing, but you somehow know them to actually mean something different. I, for one, will stick with what the Bible says. Regarding your last statement, either a teaching is true or false. Period. Love in Christ, Mark |
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4 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | atdcross | 164075 | ||
I appreciate your concern in your attempts to correct what you believe is erroneous doctrine. However, with all due respect and as much as I would like to agree in order to preserve a common viewpoint, I am unable to on the basis of your judgment regarding what does or does not agree with scripture. Advocates of the Watchtower would advise me the same way upon the basis of what they judge to be divine revelation. However, I am responsible to hear God and act according to the dictates of my conscience before him. If I have erred, I trust his voice will tell me where I have gone wrong (it would not be the first time). In the meantime, we (Father and I) discuss the issue from time to time and seem to be basically on the same page for now. As such, it seems my view does not so much conflict with the Bible as it seems to do with your judgment of what is a correct understanding of it. In any case, thank you for the advice. |
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5 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | mark d seyler | 164080 | ||
Atdcross, your conflict is with the Holy Bible, as even by your own words you claim that it does not mean what it says. I will not accept the results of whatever conversations you are having unless they agree with God's written Word. You are the one claiming Divine Revelation separate from and contray to the Bible. When you say "John 11:3-4: I understand what is stated but it is the intended meaning that is important" you place your own interpretation over the plain reading of Scripture. What could possibly be your basis for claiming knowledge of "what was intended" that disagrees with what the Bible actually says???? Love in Christ, Mark |
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6 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | atdcross | 164083 | ||
Mark...this is Mark, right? No BradK...right? Oh, yeah...the bottom is signed Mark...so I am responding to Mark...anyway... Regarding my statement in John 11:3-4, you failed to mention that I stated I interpreted the text in relation to other verses and the revelation of God’s character therein. In any case, I am not on this board to prove my point but merely to share the things Father has spoken to me about (Rom 14:22). I apologize, Mark, that my view of your position is Biblically untenable to my mind. |
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7 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | atdcross | 164084 | ||
I'm laughing, Mark, because of my typograhical error. I should have typed, "I apologize, Mark, that YOUR view of MY position as being erroneous is Biblically untenable to my mind." Good night, buddy... |
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