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1 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | atdcross | 163995 | ||
Thanks BradK for your input. I do not see where Scripture disallows it but that is not to suggest any silence confirms it. I do not see where the Bible, especially in Isa 53 and the Gospels and Acts, is silent on the subject. I am not familiar with Bosworth. And there are certain views Gill and Spurgeon hold that I do not think the Church Father's agree with; nor do I think the Church Fathers were doctrinally correct in every instance. First of all, let me clarify that I did not mean to suggest that the purpose for the atonement was physical healing. Christ atoned for our sins in order to make the "whole man wholly" restored to God in every way, first, for our sins and, second,in order that we might obtain the blessings of God (all this would result in God receiving glory, which is the preeminent goal of salvation). If you will note in the reading of the Gospels, that in every case where forgiveness was administered by Christ, physical healing occured; and in every place where physical healing occured, forgiveness of sin is clearly implied as being given. But, maybe it would be misleading to suggest that physical healing is in the atonement. Rather, maybe we can say that man's wholeness, spiritually and physically, mentally and emotionally is found through faith in the work of Christ on the Cross. But, unfurtunately, that may diminish somewhat the explicit significance, which the Gospels seem to place on physical healing (and demonic deliverance). Second, I did not mean to imply that we need not physically deteriorate and die. The "wages sin is death" and no one can avoid it. I also doubt if anyone of 80 years is as vigorous as in is twenties. But although we must die, that does not mean we have to die physically sick or mentally diseased, slowly and painfully, or, maybe, even, outside of persecution, tragically and violently (Psa 91; 103:4-5). Therefore, I cannot disagree with Spurgeon that sin is "deadly." However, the Psalmist still declares that along with God forgiving all my sins, he also heals all of my diseases. For me, it is not so much trying to figure out whether or not God desires to heal and heals - for me, that is a given in the Bible - but to believe him at his Word that he does heal irrespective of what position the Church Fathers, Gill, or Spurgeon held (along with 2000 years of Church History). |
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2 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | BradK | 164020 | ||
Hello atdcross, Thank you for your reply as it clarifies to me where you're coming from:-) I truly mean that! My intent in appealing to Church History, Gill, and Spurgeon was not that they're correct in every regard (or that I agree with them on every issue), but that they collectively represent a historically sound and widely understood interpretation. The point being that this is important to sound exegesis and a correct understanding of scripture. We can't just dismiss the collective knowledge of good men led and inspired by God. I agree with your first and second points of clarification. You better communicated your thoughts:-) Christs' atoning sacrifice was done because man has an incureable, fatal spiritual malady called sin. Our problem is not physical. As to your observation that in the Gospels (Christs') healing is associated with forgiveness: I can agree with qualification. As only God can forgive sin (Mark 2:7), Christ was merely authenticating that He was the Messiah- the Son of God! None of His healings (miracles) were done soley for the benefit of the recipient. They were done to authenticate His ministry. (See Matt. 9:35 and 10:1.) This helps us (properly) view the miracles and disassociate them from the atonement. Regarding Isaiah 53:5, I think we could agree that proper interpretation rests on: 1. Understanding of the context; 2. Proper understanding and useage of the word for "healing" (Heb. rapha); 3. Historical and Biblical useage of the word; 4. The writer Isaiahs' intent For the most part, I think were on the same page with this. I hope I've helped you to better understand my thoughts. Thanks again for sharing! Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | atdcross | 164024 | ||
Hi Brad, Thanks for discussing the issue with the goal of enhancing understanding rather than prove a point. I hope my way of addressing the issue has exhibited the same temper as you have. |
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