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1 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | atdcross | 163995 | ||
Thanks BradK for your input. I do not see where Scripture disallows it but that is not to suggest any silence confirms it. I do not see where the Bible, especially in Isa 53 and the Gospels and Acts, is silent on the subject. I am not familiar with Bosworth. And there are certain views Gill and Spurgeon hold that I do not think the Church Father's agree with; nor do I think the Church Fathers were doctrinally correct in every instance. First of all, let me clarify that I did not mean to suggest that the purpose for the atonement was physical healing. Christ atoned for our sins in order to make the "whole man wholly" restored to God in every way, first, for our sins and, second,in order that we might obtain the blessings of God (all this would result in God receiving glory, which is the preeminent goal of salvation). If you will note in the reading of the Gospels, that in every case where forgiveness was administered by Christ, physical healing occured; and in every place where physical healing occured, forgiveness of sin is clearly implied as being given. But, maybe it would be misleading to suggest that physical healing is in the atonement. Rather, maybe we can say that man's wholeness, spiritually and physically, mentally and emotionally is found through faith in the work of Christ on the Cross. But, unfurtunately, that may diminish somewhat the explicit significance, which the Gospels seem to place on physical healing (and demonic deliverance). Second, I did not mean to imply that we need not physically deteriorate and die. The "wages sin is death" and no one can avoid it. I also doubt if anyone of 80 years is as vigorous as in is twenties. But although we must die, that does not mean we have to die physically sick or mentally diseased, slowly and painfully, or, maybe, even, outside of persecution, tragically and violently (Psa 91; 103:4-5). Therefore, I cannot disagree with Spurgeon that sin is "deadly." However, the Psalmist still declares that along with God forgiving all my sins, he also heals all of my diseases. For me, it is not so much trying to figure out whether or not God desires to heal and heals - for me, that is a given in the Bible - but to believe him at his Word that he does heal irrespective of what position the Church Fathers, Gill, or Spurgeon held (along with 2000 years of Church History). |
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2 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | CDBJ | 164002 | ||
Hello atdcross, You suggested the following in your post, “The "wages of sin is death" and no one can avoid it” The fact is, the wages of sin isn’t physical death at all but spiritual death i.e. separation from God. This death can be avoid by all who will simply trust in the work that God did in the person of His Son, Jesus the Christ. Have you ever considered that Christ actually died twice while on the cross, spiritual death and physical death? Jesus paid the price of spiritual death, which is separation from God, Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? After paying the price, that a Holy God demanded, for our sin, Jesus said the following “TETELESTAI”, it is finished; the wages for sin are paid in full. The word TETELESTAI, in the original Koine Greek, is in the indicative mood, perfect tense, passive voice, third person singular. In actuality, it was a reality, and Christ completed the action with results that will go on into the future. He alone received the wrath of God on our behalf. 2 Cor. 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. How’s that for a great deal! Jesus took what we deserve and when we trust in Jesus God gives us His very own righteousness that is in Christ. The issue now between God and Man isn’t our sin but the Saviour. God poured out His wrath for our sin on the person of His Son Jesus. The only sin that Jesus didn’t die for was rejecting Jesus as our substitute for sin. i.e. our Saviour. John 16:7-9 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. [8] And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: [9] Of sin, because they believe not on me; After Jesus had finished his work on the cross He then bowed His head and willingly released the spark of life from His body, because His work on the cross was complete. John 19:30 (B) he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. We can be born twice and die once, because Jesus was born once and died twice. Have a great day, CDBJ |
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3 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | atdcross | 164005 | ||
Hi CDBJ, Regarding the wages of sin, the context was sickness leading to physical death and, I was under the impression that in the discussion spiritual death was already assumed. Your comment, "We can be born twice and die once, because Jesus was born once and died twice" is well put. Someone said Jesus experienced on the Cross what he never experienced before - death - in order that we may experience what we have never experienced - eternal life. |
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