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1 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | mark d seyler | 163993 | ||
Hi Atdcross, To say that healing is provided in the atonement the same as salvation is provided in the atonement of Christ would necessitate that we would all be completely, permanently healed and healthy from the moment we are born again, because this is how we are saved. When we are born again, we are completely and permanently spiritually alive. If physical healing were a part of that, then we would be completely and permanently healthy. The healing Matthew recorded was, as you say, Messianic activity, However! it was before the cross, and does not set a standard. By these healings we know Jesus was the Messiah. We do not, for instance, expect that everytime we open the fridge, it will have even more loaves and fish, since, after all, Jesus multiplied the loaves and fish. Lazarus was sick, and died from his sickness, so that the Son of God would be glorified. A man was born blind so that the power of God would be revealed through him. These examples show that there can be Godly purpose to illness and physical defect. Paul wrote that "all things work for the good" of the called of God, because we are predestinated to be comformed to the image of Jesus. If I become sick, God is not in heaven saying "Oooops! That one got through!" He is saying, these things happen because they serve My purpose. The lesson we learn from Job is that no matter what the cause, or the apparent cause, the things that happen to God's own happen because it serves God's purpose. God wants us to be conformed to the image of Christ, and has predestinated our lives to produce that result. Now, when you say "God does not desire for us to be sick", I would agree with you that ultimately, no, He does not. But in so much as it serves His purpose, He desires for us to be conformed to the image of Christ, and if and when sickness helps produce that result, then yes, He desires us to be sick. You say that you think Job is the exception to the rule, but that is not a Biblical statement. We are even told to remember Job as we endure our suffering. I would say he is not the exception, but that he is the example. Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | atdcross | 164011 | ||
Hi Mark I disagree that my position “would necessitate that we would all be completely, permanently healed and healthy from the moment we are born again” because: (a) we are not totally released from the possibility of committing sinful acts or engaging in sinful thoughts and desires; (b) we are not “completely and permanently spiritually alive”; (c) Jesus’ death did not yet fully and automatically do away with demonic rule and activity (Eph 2:2; 1 Jn 5:19). It seems to me that if Jesus’ Messianic activity “does not set a standard”, then (a) one could legitimately argue that Jesus’ moral character as holy does not set a standard because “it was before the cross”; (b) it is at odds with Jesus’ command to “Go into all the world” and, among other things equally important, “cast out demons” and “lay hands on the sick” (Mark 16:15ff; cf. Jam 5:14; Matt 10:8; Luke 9:2; 1 Cor 12:9). There are other reasons why your statement seems to be erred but I only have time to submit two. Even Jesus went without experiencing hunger; his fridge was not always filled but God did sustain him physically. In any case, I do not understand what God’s material provision has to do with healing. It is one thing to be hungry and another thing to be sick. As far as Lazarus and the blind man, there was no godly purpose for their illness but there was a godly purpose in Jesus healing them. From my perspective, the related texts show that illness has no Godly purpose and that is why God desires to heal. Healing has a godly purpose. If you get sick God does not have to say, “Oops!” It is not at all his fault that you got sick. We are predestined to be made into the image of Christ. It does not say we are predestined to be sick. My perspective upon what we learn from Job is different. However, because we are told to remember Job and emulate his perseverance in suffering, does not mean everyone Christian (or the majority) is sick because their integrity is directly challenged by Satan; not unless he can be described as a man who is “blameless, upright, fearing God, and turning away from evil” and “there is no one like him on the earth” (Job 1”1,8). I disagree that God desires us to be sick because sickness serves no purpose (unless it is within the context of judgment); that’s why He desires to heal. |
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3 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | CDBJ | 164014 | ||
You said the following, “Even Jesus went without experiencing hunger;” Who is right, you or, Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. As for sickness, or what ever tag you would like to put on it, the reason we get sick is because we are still at home in these bodies of death and sin is still in the world and we are still subject to the results of sin while residing in these bodies. Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? None of us will have a perfect bill of health until we are separated from these bodies of corruption. How many of the people, maintaining the same prospective that you are trying convince this forum of, celebrated their 200th birthday this year and are a picture of health? That’s what I thought, CDBJ |
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4 | did Jesus die for our sins or sickness | 1 Pet 2:24 | atdcross | 164015 | ||
CDBJ, Typographical error. I meant to say, even Jesus experienced hunger. I ain't perfected perfection, yet... |
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