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1 | Un-repented Sin | Heb 6:6 | Vintage68 | 217519 | ||
Hi dwilliamson, Thank you for the response, it is much appreciated. (actually Ireland is a bit ahead of us guys). About 5 hrs. In relation to your thoughts. "When we sin against our Father we are out of communion and need to be forgiven and restored to that communion, but our Union with Him as being in His Family is never broken." How does 1 John 3 - - and - - Hebrews 6:4 fit? I understand what your saying, and would like to agree with it, because it sounds right. But where is the scripture that says such a thing? Vintage68 |
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2 | Un-repented Sin | Heb 6:6 | Vintage68 | 217520 | ||
Hi again dwilliamson sorry forgot the vs. 1John 3:6,8 Vintage68 |
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3 | Un-repented Sin | Heb 6:6 | dwilliamson | 217540 | ||
Vintage I understand your problem. As to Hebrews Ch6v4-6 the answer lies in the context of the book. This epistle was written to early Hebrew people who had professed to become Christians. They had been associated with Judaism in the past but had accepted (at least nominally) that Jesus was the Messiah. Now, the danger was that having taken such a stand, when persecution came they would go back to side with the nation that had crucified their Messiah. In Hebrews 6 note the following v1-3 The pronouns are "us" and "we" v4-8 The pronouns are "they" and "them" v9-12 The pronouns are "you" and "your". I submit the following as my understanding of the passage. In v1-3 the group spoken of incorporates everyone who professed that Jesus was the Messiah (whether they had truly received Him or not). In v4-8 the group spoken of are Jewish people with unique privileges and blessings who had come under great influence and knew that He was the Messiah but, they openly rejected Him and took sides with the nation of Israel against Him therefore they "again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to an open shame" Hebrews 6v6. From v9 onwards true believers are the subject - see v9 "But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation". The writer to the Hebrews is convinced concerning his readers of what? That they have salvation - and therefore what is stated in v4-8 will not be true of them. I will give a fuller exposition of above later if you require - i'm not at home with my notes at present! As to the 1 John 3v6-8 passage. It must be remembered that John writes in Black and white terms. The tense he uses in respect of sin is present continuous as I remember and he is stating that a person who is in the family of God will not continue sinning as a habit of life. The issue in John is this, we have received the same life as our Father "eternal life" (if we are born again), thus we will show family characteristics. So a person who professes to be in Gods family and yet consistently lives in sin and has no realisation of the fact that God is Light is not in the family of God at all. Salvation cannot be lost, see for example John10 v27-30. It does not depend on me, it depends on Christ and the value of His blood. Again, hope this is helpful, if I can clarify anything let me know. In Him David |
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4 | Un-repented Sin | Heb 6:6 | DocTrinsograce | 217548 | ||
Dear David, Welcome to the forum! You have provided good answers (in this post and elsewhere). Thank you for your contributions. On Saint Patrick's Day here in America, I am all but entirely alone in wearing orange. At least know that you brothers aren't forgotten! :-) As the Lord has graciously and providentially placed you and your congregation on our minds, we will pray for you. May you all bring God glory as He conforms you to the image of His of Son! In Him, Doc |
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