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1 | Fallen 'Partakers of the Holy Spirit?' | Heb 6:6 | Hank | 34850 | ||
Zach, indeed your excerpted quotations from one of C.H.Spurgeon's sermons fall far short of reflecting his total exegesis and fine conclusions on Hebrews 6:4-6. Spurgeon viewed the passage as being one of the foremost in all Scripture to support the doctrine of the perseverence of the saints. Please read carefully the entire sermon and you will then fully understand how Spurgeon could, and did, maintain his position for, and defense of, the orthodoxy of the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints. You can find this sermon, by the way, at the Spurgeon Archives web site, "Spurgeon.org" and click on Sermons, then Hebrews, then scroll to 6:4-6..... I think it was Scripture, not cigars, that led Charles Haddon Spurgeon to his conclusions. --Hank | ||||||
2 | Fallen 'Partakers of the Holy Spirit?' | Heb 6:6 | zach† | 34928 | ||
Part 3 "But if a child of God could fall away, and grace could cease in a man's heart—now comes the third question—Paul says, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM TO BE RENEWED. What did the Apostle mean? One eminent commentator says, he meant that it would be very hard. It would be very hard, indeed, for a man who fell away, to be saved. But we reply, "My dear friend, it does not say anything about its being very hard; it says it is impossible, and we say that it would be utterly impossible, if such a case as is supposed were to happen; " (Spurgeon) In the above statement from Spurgeon he mentions that such cases of falling away as "supposed cases" and not actual. To that I disagree, believing their are actual cases. (zach) "God has cast them away; after he has failed in saving them by these, what else can deliver them? " (Spurgeon) God isn't the one who casts people away. People cast God away (zach) "And if already the Holy Spirit hath failed," (Spurgeon) The Holy Spirit doesn't fail. It is man that fails. (zach) "do we read that Christ will ever die for those who crucify him twice? But the Apostle tells us that if believers do fall away, they will "crucify the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." (Spurgeon) Scripture doesn't actually say exactly what Mr.Spurgeon says it says in the above quote. What it actually says is: "and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify TO THEMSELVES the Son of God, and put Him to open shame (NASB) I prefer the NASB for this verse because I see no justification in the Greek for the word "if" which is found in the KJV (Check it out for yourselves) It is to themselves, not others that they make the crucifixion void, and if they turn their backs on Christ and His offering of Himself then no other sacrifice can be offered, because the one time offering of the body of Christ is sufficient, and is a continual offering for both initial and final salvation for those endure unto the end. Perseverance involves endurance. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. --- and other like verses (zach) "What next? There must be a second incarnation, a second Calvary, a second Holy Ghost, a second regeneration, a second justification, although the first was finished and complete—in fact, I know not what. It would necessitate the upsetting of the whole kingdom of nature and grace, and it would, indeed, be a world turned upside down, if after the gracious Saviour failed, he were to attempt the work again." (Spurgeon) In the above quote Spurgeon talks as if a person falls away then the "Saviour failed" If a person fails that doesn't mean the Savior failed, the failure again rests on man not Christ Jesus. (zach) "So, my hearer, could it be possible that grace could work in thee, and then not affect thy salvation—that the influence of Divine grace could come down, like rain from heaven, and yet return unto God void, there could not be any hope for thee, for thou wouldst be "nigh unto cursing," and thine end would be "to be burned." (Spurgeon) No M. Spurgeon God's word WILL NOT return void. The offer will be extended to others. When the Jews rejected the Lord, God then turned his attention to the Gentiles. God's word will accomplish what it was sent to accomplish. The fullness of the Gentiles will come in and then God will again return His attention to the Israel (zach) "There is one idea which has occurred to us. It has struck us as a singular thing, that our friends should hold that men can be converted, made into new creatures, then fall away and be converted again. I am an old creature by nature; God creates me into a new thing, he makes me a new creature. I cannot go back into an old creature, for I cannot be uncreated. But yet, supposing that new creatureship of mine is not good enough to carry me to heaven. What is to come after that? Must there be something above a new creature—a new creature." (Spurgeon) I have listened many times to an explanation of eternal security based upon the analogy of sonship. "My child is born into my family and he will always be my child. He cannot be unborn. Whether obedient or disobedient, he will always be my child." This reasoning avoids the central issue. The question is not whether a child can be "unborn" but whether it can sicken and die. Doctors do not admonish parents about the dangers of their child being "unborn" but rather about proper care of the child to keep it from dying. In fact if the baby is not fed it will soon die. In the same way, Jesus said, "Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink His blood, ye have no life in you." John 6:53 (zach) |
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