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1 | Fallen 'Partakers of the Holy Spirit?' | Heb 6:6 | zach† | 34762 | ||
Lifer; I found these comments from Calvinist Charles Spurgeon concerning who these are that are mentioned in Heb. 6:4-6. Spurgeon on Heb. 6:4-6 (Those mentioned in Heb. 6:4-6 are true and real Christian's) "We come to this passage (Hebrews 6:4-6) ourselves with the intention to read it with the simplicity of a child, and whatever we find therein to state it; and if It may not seem to agree with something we have hitherto held, we are prepared to cast away every doctrine of our own, rather than one passage of scripture." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "a child reading this passage, would say, that the persons intended by it must be Christians. If the Holy Spirit intended to describe Christians, I do not see that he could have used more explicit terms than there are here." "How can a man be said to be enlightened, and to taste of the heavenly gift, and to be made partaker of the Holy Ghost, without being a child of God?" "I think that I shall be able to show that none but true believers are here described." "First, they are spoken of as having been once enlightened, This refers to the enlightening influence of God's Spirit .... I cannot consider a man truly enlightened unless he is a child of God." "the next thing that God grants to us is a taste of the heavenly gift, by which we understand, the heavenly gift of salvation." "we cannot think that the Holy Spirit would describe an unregenerate man as having been enlightened, and as having tasted of the heavenly gift, No, my brethren, If I have tasted of the heavenly gift, I am one of his." "no man can be a partaker of the Holy Ghost, and yet be unregenerate." 'further..... they have tasted the good word of God .... I say again, if these people be not believers-who are?" "They had received the powers of the world to come.... powers with which the Holy Ghost endows a Christian." "These, we say, whatever may be the meaning of the text, must have been, beyond a doubt, none other than true and real Christians" (all the4 above quote taken from Spurgeon. After having said all that Spurgeon still maintained his Calvinist position of "Perseverance of the Saints" How he could I don't know, seems amazing that he still could. Must have been something in those cigars he smoked In Christ zach† |
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2 | Fallen 'Partakers of the Holy Spirit?' | Heb 6:6 | Hank | 34850 | ||
Zach, indeed your excerpted quotations from one of C.H.Spurgeon's sermons fall far short of reflecting his total exegesis and fine conclusions on Hebrews 6:4-6. Spurgeon viewed the passage as being one of the foremost in all Scripture to support the doctrine of the perseverence of the saints. Please read carefully the entire sermon and you will then fully understand how Spurgeon could, and did, maintain his position for, and defense of, the orthodoxy of the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints. You can find this sermon, by the way, at the Spurgeon Archives web site, "Spurgeon.org" and click on Sermons, then Hebrews, then scroll to 6:4-6..... I think it was Scripture, not cigars, that led Charles Haddon Spurgeon to his conclusions. --Hank | ||||||
3 | Fallen 'Partakers of the Holy Spirit?' | Heb 6:6 | zach† | 34925 | ||
Hank and Joe also; Part 1 In my previous comments concerning quotes of Spurgeon, I didn't at that time go into lengthy detail, but now feel the need to at this time. The name of the message which I obtained my previous Spurgeon quotes from and the site where the mesage can be found is be included. Following are portions of Spurgeons message entitled Final Perseverance, and some of my thoughts concerning statements made by Mr. Spurgeon. I'm sure you won't all agree with my comments, especially if you are of the Reformed faith, but nevertheless, I also believe whatever conclusions each of us draw on this message, we can still all agree we all are His. I will add Spurgeons name to quotes gleaned from his message, and add my name to comments to portion of his messsage. This will have to be sent in several parts to this forum. Hope you find the time to read the entire reply. Final Perseverance A Sermon (No. 75) Delivered on Sabbath Morning, March 23, 1856, by the REV. C.H. SPURGEON http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0075.htm "We come to this passage ourselves with the intention to read it with the simplicity of a child, and whatever we find therein to state it; and if it may not seem to agree with something we have hitherto held, we are prepared to cast away every doctrine of our own, rather than one passage of Scripture." (Spurgeon) "First, then, we answer the question, WHO ARE THE PEOPLE HERE SPOKEN OF? If you read Dr. Gill, Dr. Owen, and almost all the eminent Calvinistic writers, they all of them assert that these persons are not Christians. They say, that enough is said here to represent a man who is a Christian externally, but not enough to give the portrait of a true believer. Now, it strikes me they would not have said this if they had had some doctrine to uphold; for a child, reading this passage, would say, that the persons intended by it must be Christians. If the Holy Spirit intended to describe Christians, I do not see that he could have used more explicit terms than there are here. How can a man be said to be enlightened, and to taste of the heavenly gift, and to be made partaker of the Holy Ghost, without being a child of God? With all deference to these learned doctors, and I admire and love them all, I humbly conceive that they allowed their judgments to be a little warped when they said that; and I think I shall be able to show that none but true believers are here described." (Spurgeon) . "First, they are spoken of as having been once enlightened. .. I cannot consider a man truly enlightened unless he is a child of God. Does not the term indicate a person taught of God? It is not the whole of Christian experience; but is it not a part." (Spurgeon) "Having enlightened us, as the text says, the next thing that God grants to us is a taste of the heavenly gift, by which we understand, the heavenly gift of salvation, including the pardon of sin, justification by the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ, regeneration by the Holy Ghost, and all those gifts and graces, which in the earlier dawn of spiritual life convey salvation. ...... we cannot think that the Holy Spirit would describe an unregenerate man as having been enlightened, and as having tasted of the heavenly gift. No, my brethren, if I have tasted of the heavenly gift, then that heavenly gift is mine; if I have had ever so short an experience of my Saviour's love, I am one of his; if he has brought me into the green pastures, and made me taste of the still waters and the tender grass, I need not fear as to whether I am really a child of God." (Spurgeon) "we do assert (and we think, on the authority of Scripture), that no man can be a partaker of the Holy Ghost, and yet be unregenerate. Where the Holy Ghost dwells there must be life; and if I have participation with the Holy Ghost, and fellowship with him, then I may rest assured that my salvation has been purchased by the blood of the Saviour. Thou need'st not fear, beloved; if thou has the Holy Ghost, thou hast that which ensures thy salvation; if thou, by an inward communion, canst participate in his Spirit, and if by a perpetual indwelling the Holy Ghost rests in thee, thou art not only a Christian, but thou hast arrived at some maturity in and by grace. Thou hast gone beyond mere enlightenment: thou hast passed from the bare taste—thou hast attained to a positive feast, and a partaking of the Holy Ghost." (Spurgeon) "the Apostle goes to a further stage of grace. They "have tasted the good word of God." I say again, if these people be not believers—who are?" (Spurgeon) "And they had gone further still. They had attained the summit of piety. They had received "the powers of the world to come." Not miraculous gifts, which are denied us in these days, but all those powers with which the Holy Ghost endows a Christian. |
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