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1 | Partakers of the Holy Spirit? | Heb 6:6 | KBurgee | 3602 | ||
Wow, this is a great topic! I never realized how difficult this really is. But that's good! True knowledge isn't always easy, hehe. Paul isn't speaking about a certainty; this is a hypothetical situation. Some people (thanx, study Bible!) who do not believe in "eternal security" who believe in "conditional salvation" think that the passage refers to people who fall away from the faith; others think that these people weren't fully Christians (I don't understand that; either you accept or you don't, unless we're talking maturity levels in Christ), and that other verses teach eternal security. If there were an actual documented case of criticizing God after accepting Him, I'd like to know. Check out John 5:24 and 6:37; Romans 8:1; Hebrews 8:12. Personally? Changing someone's heart is difficult. I don't understand how anyone can reject God after being in His spirit, unless they are really, really, bad? Who wants to taste and see that the Lord is good, then go back to eating trash? The only example I have is Satan. He was a partaker of the spirit (shoot, he was God's praise director! How do you NOT know?), yet openly defied God with his act. As a result, he can never be (nor does he deserve to be) saved. Hope they help. I'd love to learn more about this as well. K |
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2 | Partakers of the Holy Spirit? | Heb 6:6 | zach† | 34761 | ||
K; concerning Heb. 6:4-6 you stated; "this is a hypothetical situation." So I will comment as follows: there is no conditional participle present in the Greek text to support any claims that the word “if” in Heb. 6:6 was in the original text. The writer in Hebrews simply says to us …. kai parapesontas – “and they have fallen away” (second aorist active participle). The Greek conjunction “kai” usually means “and” has an adversative force here, meaning and yet. The writer is saying “they had all these blessings and yet in spite of all this, they have still fallen away” (A.T. Robertson) The NEB translates the phrase, “and after all this” There is nothing in either the language or the context to indicate that the instances of apostasy cited in Heb. 6:4-6 are only hypothetical. Those who hold to the unconditional eternal security position take this text to say that “this is not a warning of apostasy, but rather a warning against imagining that apostasy is possible.” Their reasoning comes from Paul’s statement “But beloved, we are persuaded better things of you.” They fail to reckon with the transition from the third person (those, they, and them) in verses 4-6 to the second person (you) in verse 9. The writer is persuaded of better things for “you” not “them” In Christ zach† |
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