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1 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | New Creature | 90320 | ||
Dear Tim You asked me to check out this reply and let you know what I think I think it is an excellent reply regarding Heb. 6:4-6, and is interesting to look at the tense used. There is however one short comment in this post, that I either am misunderstanding, or intrpreting wrongly. That statement is: "I don't see anything is the passage that indicates that such a person can never be saved again or can never repent." I don't personally believe that Scripture supports any teaching that a person can be lost, then saved, then lost, and then saved again. I believe Scripture supports the idea that an individual can only be saved once. I believe that the fall those in Heb 6 experience is final and complete. Here is the wording of Heb. 6:4-6 from a different translation For how can those who abandon their faith be brought back to repent again? They were once in God's light; they tasted heaven's gift and received their share of the Holy Spirit; they knew from experience that God's word is good, and they had felt the powers of the coming age. And then they abandoned their faith! It is impossible to bring them back to repent again, because they are again crucifying the Son of God and exposing him to public shame. (Heb. 6:4-6 TEV) I was in agreement with everything else in the post. In His service New creature |
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2 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | Morant61 | 90357 | ||
Greetings New Creature! The point I was trying to articulate, perhaps poorly, was that the verbs in v. 6 indicate present, continuous action. So, I was trying to make the case that it is impossible to bring them back to repentence 'while' they are doing the actions of v. 6. However, if they ceased doing the actions of v. 6, then it would be possible. It was just something to think about! Keep up the posts my friend. We Arminians are outnumbered sometimes! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | New Creature | 90372 | ||
Dear Tim Yes I caught that point. Faith is a continous ongoing action in the life of each and every believer. Amen Below is a portion of an interesting article I came across a while back. I don't remember the source. But read it and and tell me what you think. "Now suppose that I see the light from the lamp of God's Word, but refuse to obey it. Let's say that the Holy Spirit has convicted me, and I understand perfectly what He requires of me, but it is unpopular and inconvenient. What happens if I disregard the light and reject the truth which the Spirit has revealed - for any reason whatsoever? The Spirit continues to speak, of course, and for a time there is a battle in my conscience. I feel miserable and guilty. Days pass by, and even months, while I keep on violating my conviction of what is right. Gradually, the conscience begins to adjust to what is being done in the physical body. Slowly the guilt feelings begin to subside and the acts of disobedience appear less and less objectionable. Finally, the truth which seemed so clear and uncomplicated in the beginning turns into a muddle of uncertainty. Rationalizations spring forth to justify disobedience, and the early convictions of sin fade away. Life is almost as comfortable as it was before the light came. What has happened? We have sinned against the Holy Spirit and are sinking into the state of the unpardonable sin. You see, this deadly sin is not any particular act which can be isolated and labeled. It can be any sin which is cherished in the face of light and knowledge. It actually is a condition of seared sensitivity brought on by persistent disobedience to recognized truth. The reaction is similar to ignoring an alarm clock. The conscience becomes more and more tolerant of the pricking reminder of transgression until, finally, it no longer even recognizes the unwelcome sting of conviction. Like the clock it runs down, too, and just as well, because no one is listening any longer. Continual, willful disobedience disqualifies one to be Spirit-filled. This remarkable representative of God is offended when His primary function is denied. His very nature is to make sin appear exceedingly sinful. Sin cannot comfortably remain where the Holy Spirit abides. Either the sin is renounced or the Spirit finally will be rejected and depart. Refusing to walk in the light does not bring an immediate separation from God, but persistent disobedience continues to harden the conscience to the seriousness of sin. That state of darkness developed by repeated violation of known truth is what we refer to as the unpardonable sin." In His service New Creature |
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4 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | Morant61 | 90377 | ||
Greetings New Creature! The only nitpick I would make is that I don't think this is the unpardonable sin, but I do think that the process of a hardened heart is described quite well. I have taught in some of my classes about this danger of sin. See, I don't believe in 'losing' salvation. 'Losing' something implies an accident. I lost my wallet. I didn't intend to, it just sort of happened. Further, I don't believe that an act of sin causes someone to not be a Christian anymore. The old joke about the daisy being the flower of the Arminian is not accurate. An act of sin doesn't make us unsaved anymore than an act of righteousness saves us. But, I do believe that a person can become so hardened to Christ by continual sin that he could eventually willfully and knowingly reject Christ. I believe that is the person described in Heb. 6:4-6. By the way, who wrote this article? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | New Creature | 90416 | ||
Dear Tim I don't disagree with your comments. In fact I do agree. As concerning who wrote that article, it is possible that I copy/pasted it from a Church of Christ web site, but don't quote me on that. The Church of Christ also does not believe in "once saved, always saved" And just in case your wondering. No I am not from the Church of Christ. I can find teachings of that denomination that I disagree with also, such as baptismal regeneration, as well as their non-use of musical instruments in their worship services. In His service New Creature |
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6 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | Morant61 | 90425 | ||
Greetings New Creature! It is easy to lose track of all the information we gather over the years! ;-) Personally, I have trouble remembering my kid's names! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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