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1 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | ren333 | 14585 | ||
Can someone please explain to me Hebrews 6:4. It seems to be saying that if you fall away from Christ, you cannot be forgiven. This does not seem to possible considering the rest of the bible tells me different. | ||||||
2 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | Radioman | 14708 | ||
"Those who want to make this verse mean that believers can lose salvation will have to admit that it would then also say that one could never get it back again." ren333: You write: "Can someone please explain to me Hebrews 6:4. It seems to be saying that if you fall away from Christ, you cannot be forgiven. This does not seem to possible considering the rest of the bible tells me different." That if you fall away you cannot be renewed again to repentance is exactly what this verse IS saying in plain and clear language. Consider the following: " . . . logically [Heb 6:4] implies that if salvation were to be lost, it would be impossible for that person to be born again, lose it, and then be born again again. This much is clear: whoever openly and consciously rejects Jesus Christ is unregenerate even if he seemed to have been saved ealier." Whether he had lost his salvation or never had it to begin with, "either way, the result is identical." (note at Heb. 6:4ff, NRSV Harper Study Bible, Zondervan, 1991) "For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have (done all these things in vv. 4-5) and then have fallen away." "There is no possibility of these verses referring to losing salvation. Many Scripture passages make unmistakably clear that salvation is eternal (compare John 10:27-29; Rom 8:35,38,39; Phil 1:6; 1 Pet 1:4,5). "Those who want to make this verse mean that believers can lose salvation will have to admit that it would then also say that one could never get it back again" (MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, 1997). Radioman |
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3 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | Morant61 | 14751 | ||
Greetings Radioman! You said in your posts: "Those who want to make this verse mean that believers can lose salvation will have to admit that it would then also say that one could never get it back again." As an Arminian, I have no problem with that. But, I would add a clarification. It is impossible to "lose" one's salvation. To me, "losing" something implies an accident. I'm walking down the road and lose my wallet. I am walking along in my Christian life and suddenly realize that I have lost my salvation. The action described in Heb. 6:4-6 is not an accident. It is an intentional act of will. Neither is it a description of a Christian who simply isn't living up to the full level of maturity which is possible in Christ. Heb. 6:4-6 describes someone who knowingly rejects Christ. He has experienced salvation. He has been filled with the Spirit. He has known the Word. Yet, he has utterly turned away from Christ. Such a person cannot be saved, simply because salvation is found only in Christ. A person this far gone has no hope. He is the person described in Heb. 10:29 - "How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?" Fortunately, I believe this kind of person to be exceedingly rare. It is difficult to imagine many who have known the love of the Lord, totally rejecting Him. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | Radioman | 14775 | ||
Tim: I appreciate and respect you and I read your postings with pleasure. Thank you for your reply and your explanation of this passage. As I mentioned in a previous post, this passage does have four major interpretations. I have been familiar with all four of them for about 30 years now. The one I am most familiar with is the one I was repeatedly taught as a child growing up in an Arminian church, i.e.: The warning is to those who are believers in the Lord Jesus Christ and are in danger of falling away, through unbelief or sin, and losing their salvation. I only wish that everyone who posts here would present their views with the courtesy, sensible references to Scripture, reason and clarity that you have used regarding Heb. 6:4. Sincerely, Radioman |
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