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1 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | Lionstrong | 14592 | ||
Dear Ren333, You're right to believe that those whom an almighty God has saved, he keeps, because this is indeed what His word assures us is the case. And you are also right in applying that wonderful truth to this passage of God's Word. Having eliminated what it does not and cannot mean, one is one step closer to finding out what it in fact does mean. I appreciate Tim’s honesty in mentioning his theological persuasion. The forum is not united theologically. It is made up of Christians of various theological stripes. So you yourself must decide whether any given answer squares with the Word of God. As a Christian, I grew up among those who taught “once saved, always saved.” I believe this is biblical and consistent with the biblical view that God is almighty, the author and finisher of our faith (Heb. 12:2). The label attached to my theological persuasion is Reformed. So this passage cannot be talking about a true believer, but about someone who was a “church goer”. But believers should take this passages to heart, and examine themselves. God is holy, and the design of any warning against sin and unbelief is never to leave a believer comfortable in sin and to spur him on to love and good works and the pursuit of sanctification without which no one will see the Lord (Heb. 10:24; 12:14) Peace, Lionstrong |
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2 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | CDBJ | 14600 | ||
One needs to under the construction in the Greek language that the New Testament was written in, when the word (if) is used. There are four classes, and the word if can mean the following. 1st class, if and it's true. 2nd. class, if and it's not true. 3rd. class maybe it's true and maybe it's not. 4th. class I wish it where true but it's not. The class condition that is found in Heb.6:6 is a 2nd class condition. I.E. It's not true. They are secure in Christ and nothing can change that position. Some use Heb.6:4-6 to say that, "see people can loose their salvation!" Well if that is the situation, they can't get it bak again because of v.6 and so much for I Jn.1:9 There is NO sin that Jesus didn't pay the price for, except the one of rejecting Him as there Savior. Now that doesn't mean that we are free to sin all we want, but that we are now free to serve. We will still sin because we are still locked in these bodys, but we are not to practice sin as we did before we were saved. Paul had this same problem, read Rom. 7 Now go back and read what it said in Heb.6:4 (IT"S IMPOSSIBLE)--I hope this helps! CDBJ | ||||||
3 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | Morant61 | 14612 | ||
Greetings CDBJ! Your explanation of the conditional clauses was excellent. However, there is one small problem. There is no conditional conjunction in Heb. 6:4-6. So, the different types of conditional clauses don't apply to this passage. Rather, Heb. 6:4-6 lists five aorist participles which describe the condition of those being discussed. They have: 1) ...been enlighted - v. 4. 2) ...tasted the heavenly gift - v. 4. 3) ...shared in the Holy Spirit - v. 4. 4) ...tasted the goodness of the Word and the powers of the coming age - v. 5. 5) ....fallen away - v. 6. I don't know why some translations put an "if" here, since it simply is not in the Greek. The phrase "bring them back to repentance" refers to all five of these statements, not just the "fallen away." This doesn't mean that your interpretation is necessarily wrong. This is a very difficult passage and there are four ways of looking at it. 1) That is is describing the danger of "losing" one's salvation. 2) That is is describing individuals who have never really accepted Christ, but merely made a profession and then turned away. 3) That it is a hypothetical statement which describes a situation that cannot happen. 4) That "fallen away" refers to becoming disqualified for service, not "losing" one's salvation. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | CDBJ | 14621 | ||
To Tim Moran--Good point, I should have been looking at more then the KJV. to quote a verse. The if clause isn't in Heb. 6:6 in the Greek, good call. It's a good thing we have Heb.6:9-12 the former category will probably fall into what Jesus called the tares, in the "wheat and the tares " parable. CDBJ | ||||||
5 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | Morant61 | 14626 | ||
Greetings CDBJ! Been there - Done that! :-) I made a major mistake the other day on Rom. 8:29. I was reading the Greek text and thought that maybe the "He" could refer back to "those" in 8:29, rather than Christ. However, "those" is plural and thus could not be the antecedant of "he". Whoops! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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