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1 | How can Jesus be tempted if He is God? | Heb 4:15 | Reformer Joe | 4895 | ||
Paragraphs, man! Why do you still fail to address the fact that the three persons of the Trinity constantly communicated with each other, did things with and to each other? If they are all Jesus, we have a real problem in logic, or at least an apparent deception on God's part. Why would Jesus try so hard to make everyone think that he was talking to the Father and that the Father would give the Spirit and that the Father sent the Son into the world, and that the Son obeyed the Father, and on and on? (John 14:16,17 would be a great couple of verses to unravel. I *AM* listening for any explanation, but you have yet to provide one). I agree with the deity of Jesus, as do you. I agree that the Father is God, as do you. I agree that the Holy Spirit is God, as do you. I believe there is one God, as do you. Oneness stands or falls on the ability to explain the problem stated in the previous paragraph.. Why do you keep dodging that central problem with modalism? --Joe! |
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2 | How can Jesus be tempted if He is God? | Heb 4:15 | RevC | 4918 | ||
Oneness Answers to trinitarian questions. Joe! here yet is another entry supplying you with all you asked for. My entries are lengthy,full of proof,scripture and explanation. Yours are full of judgement,false claims and opinion. Yet I love you.. please read and respond.. By the way you are my brother in Christ regardless of where you place my standing in God's kingdom. Also I had to reduce this because it was to long I can send more when your done. When Jesus spoke of the Father it was always in a way that distanced his identity from that of Father God. This was in keeping with his character of not appearing as God, although he was. Concerning this subject Jesus made the following promise These things have I spoken unto you in proverb: but the time cometh, when I shall not more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father John 16:25. Paul referred to this same event of revelation when he wrote unto Timothy, Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and the Lord of lords Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen 1 Timothy 6:15-16. But that still leaves the question Why does the New Testament make a distinction at times? The answer to this goes back to the dual nature of Jesus. In the capacity of being fully man, He was distinct from God. Not just distinct from the Father but from being God also. This is why we can see references to the God of Jesus Christ Matt. 27:46; John 20:17; Eph. 1:17. This is obviously not the God of God. It is the God of a man. Jesus is called a man over and over Acts 2:22; 13:38; I Tim 2:5. As a man, there were things He did not know Mark 13:32, there were things He could not do Mark 6:5, He could only be in one place at one time John 16:7, He could be tempted Heb 4:15, He could thirst John 19:28, and He could die John 19:33. So from this point of view He was distinct from God, and could be spoken of that way. But from another point of view He was fully God and could be called such John 20:28; I Tim 3:16; I John 5:20. When we see a separate reference it is something like: "God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ." What you never see is: "God the Father and God the Son." As I Timothy 2:5 puts it, For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. In John 10:30 Jesus said, I and my Father are one. Does that mean unity? Well, I ask if that was all he meant then why did the Jews pick up stones to stone him? v. 31 Jesus asks them why v. 32, and they answered him, because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God v. 33. They understood this as claiming to be God, not claiming to be in accordance with him. So if I and the Father are one means I am God, then he must be God the Father. Some Trinitarians have tried to draw attention to the neuter gender of the word one in this passage (Gk - hen), claiming that this means that they are one in unity. However, this is the same word used in passages such as Eph. 4:4 where it says that there is one Spirit, and no one would argue that this means only one in unity. In Matthew 28:19, Jesus commanded the disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Yet they routinely baptized only in Jesus' name.Either they were mistaken, or they understood the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost to be Jesus. Surely the apostles didn't disobey their Lord. I could give you scriptures to show that Jesus is indeed God, however Joe!, we already agree on that supposedly but here are a few that show that he is specifically the Father who is the only God, Mal 2:10; I Cor 8:6. 1. Jesus said that He would send the comforter to us John 16:7, but He also said the Father would send the comforter John 14:26. 2. The Father alone can draw men to God John 6:44 , yet Jesus said He would draw all men John 12:32. 3. Jesus will raise up all believers in the last day John 6:40, yet God the Father quickens gives life to the dead and will raise us up Romans 4:17 I Corinthians 6:14. 4. Christ is our sanctifier Ephesians 5:26, yet the Father sanctifies us Jude 1. We can easily understand all of this if we realize that Jesus has a dual nature. He is both Spirit and flesh, God and man, Father and Son. As our Lord said elsewhere, things I have spoken to you in figurative language an hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but will tell you plainly of the Father John 16:25. Or as Zechariah the prophet said, "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one" Zech. 14:9 |
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3 | How can Jesus be tempted if He is God? | Heb 4:15 | jim | 4964 | ||
RevC the word cannot be put much better and it seems as though it falls on deft ears. Jesus said He that hath ears hear what the spirit is saying. Just one thought and Jesus said in Jn 8:24 Could the red dots we get stand for blood? | ||||||
4 | How can Jesus be tempted if He is God? | Heb 4:15 | RevC | 4997 | ||
Thank you so much for the encouragement!!! I have tried hard to follow the word of God without bias. I really thought all that I gave was very scriptural. Perhaps we should be proud of the red dots! Gods word is a two edged sword. It is bound to be controversial. It hurt my feelings a little when I first saw those little red dots. However since this post... I am encouraged again...God Bless you! | ||||||
5 | How can Jesus be tempted if He is God? | Heb 4:15 | Buf | 5044 | ||
RevC thanks for the scriptures that you and Jim have been discusing. you are saying the same things that i would say but you are saving me the time looking up the bible verses. Buf. |
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