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1 | need information on galatians Chapter 6 | Heb 3:12 | sheltona | 209065 | ||
I need information on galatians Chapter 6:1-8. It has to doa with the falling away. I await your response. Maybe you can direct me to a place. |
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2 | need information on galatians Chapter 6 | Heb 3:12 | peacebestill | 209121 | ||
sheltona Perhaps the reference in Galatians you were looking for is in Galatians 5:4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. - NASB. The Greek is a bit different there according to what I have been taught. A rough retranslation could be according to one pastor I had is this - No effect from Christ who any in law are being justified, of favor you fall out. So rather than being severed from Christ perhaps it is that Christ is of no effect to those who try to be justified by the law. Not to say that salvation is of no effect, but think about the process of sanctification? When you try to get righteousness through law keeping you are kind of putting a halt on the process of sanctification because that rests on being justified by faith and not by the law. And rather than understanding that one who does this has fallen from the gift of grace that is salvation, it may perhaps mean that one falls OUT of favor with Christ, not loses their gift of grace which is their salvation. In looking at Galatians 6:1-8 the only thing that could possibly be misconstrued to mean losing one's salvation is that reference to restoring one who had a trespass? As if they had lost their salvation? All Christians sin, the point of this one part of the verse in 6:1 is that we ask Jesus for forgiveness, but sometimes someone who sees another caught in trespasses has the job of pointing the fallen one to Christ for forgiveness of sins and a restoration to the fellowship of the saints if that was cut off, or the person has not been attending. Really the fact is once saved always saved, and there is no such thing as losing your salvation. There are problematic passages like Hebrews 6:1-8 and Hebrews 10:26. In Hebrews 6 a lot of people miss what it says in verse 8 - that the people being described in strong language in verse 1-7 actualY ARE CLOSE TO BEING CURSED AND THEIR WORKS ARE GOING TO END UP BEING BURNT UP. But they themselves will be saved. Hebrews 10 is much harder to make out. But in verse 27 is says a judgment having the fury of fire will be consuming the adversaries of Christ. What is missing is the writer saying that the fires of hell will be consuming the adversaries of Chrsit. Try thinking in terms of Peter being rebuked by Christ where Christ calls Peter "Satan", at that moment Peter is being an adversary of Christ, for however breif a moment. And Peter's works as a believer at that moment in time will most definitey be consumed by a fury of fire later, at the Bema seat where jugments for the believer are rendered. It says in 1 Corinthian 3:11-15 that if a man has bad works that those works will be burnt up and he will be saved as though through fire. It says in Hebrews 10:31 that it is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the Lord. That makes me think about a couple of things and one of those things is David, who sinned, and who choose to fall into the hands of the Lord. You see it is not only unbelievers who God takes in hand and whose sins get addressed, it is also the believer too. And God does, although He forgives sin, often make the believer live out the consequences of sin. In some instances God will remove a believer early in life by death. In other instances He may do some other drastic thing to a believer who sinned becuase He is a holy God who will take vengeance for sin and He will repay, He promises to repay. How terrifying a thing to trample on the Holy Spirit and to fall into the hands of the Lord for judgment while still alive. peacebestill |
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3 | need information on galatians Chapter 6 | Heb 3:12 | DocTrinsograce | 209128 | ||
Hi, pbs... I commented on this question once before as follows: You see, the law has only the power of death (Romans 3:20; 7:5-11; Galatians 3:11). Complying with the law doesn't make you more acceptable to God (Isaiah 64:6). Indeed, rather it demonstrates our simple agreement with its assessment of our complete failure before it (Romans 2:14-15). God loves us because of what the Son did (1 John 4:10). Consequently, we can't increase or decrease that love one tiny jot, especially not by the law. How could we even come remotely close to the incredible and perfect atonement of our Savior? In the light of that -- how does all the obedience in the world to the law compare? Zilch. This is probably a lousy example, but bear with me. When I was a student decades ago, I worked for a time in low-temperature physics. I suppose the technology has vastly improved, but at that time "making" liquid helium took days. Now liquefied helium is really odd stuff. Imagine a container that has a tiny hole in it. Indeed, imagine that the hole is so small that air itself is unable to pass through it. If you place liquid helium in such a container it simply drains away. That's exactly the way grace behaves. One tiny bit of the law, and the whole thing drains away (Romans 11:6; Galatians 5:4). Okay, here's another example: Imagine that I invite you to dinner. I've hired the best chef in the region to prepare a beautiful meal. Rich and expensive delicacies are spread before you on the best china, silver, and crystal. The aromas alone are incredibly tantalizing. Before you begin to eat, though, I say, "I really hope you enjoy the meal. However, I think it only fair to tell you that there is an extremely tiny amount of raw sewage somewhere in all that food. Don't worry, though, the total amount is less than a grain of salt. But I assure you that everything else is perfectly sanitary." How does this fact change the appeal of the meal? I hope this extremely important point is being driven home. If a person wants to give up grace, by all means, climb aboard the well crowded legalism band-wagon. However, if you head down that route, grace gets completely thrown out (Galatians 3:2-3), and your righteousness must exceed that of the most law-abiding people in history (Matthew 5:20). In Him, Doc |
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4 | need information on galatians Chapter 6 | Heb 3:12 | peacebestill | 209143 | ||
Doc, I agree with you one hundred percent about the law making grace of no effect. Question; but in what sense? Question; if a person "wants to give up grace" for legalism do you see that as "losing salvation", or rather as "never had it"? I do not think that is what you are saying here, but am wondering what you see is to be the result of "giving up grace"? Next question; is grace something that can be "nullified truly on the eternal level" after having been saved, or would you see that as the "effects of grace temporarily nullified" after having been saved? I am thinking of the fact that Paul is addressing Christian believers in Galatians who have left off the concept of faith unto salvation by grace for the law unto salvation by works? Believers such as Barnabus and Peter whom we know were saved and remained so? Galatians 5:7 You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth? They seemed to have been running well and fell and turned to the law, meaning they were saved for real and then messed up... Question; how does Galatians 3:23 address that "grace gets completely thrown out" for the already saved who messed up by turning to the law? I thought it was referring to the law serving to shut up all to the faith later to be revealed, not belivers who strayed after the faith was taken by them after it was revealed to them. peacebestill |
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5 | need information on galatians Chapter 6 | Heb 3:12 | DocTrinsograce | 209170 | ||
Hi, pbs... Legalism and antinomianism are like the ditches on opposite sides of the road. Legalism attempts to augment grace by gaining merit. Antinomianism attempts to discard the call of personal sanctification. Galatians is all about the legalism of the Judaizers. For a more thorough discussion of the mechanics and means of grace, search for the words "ordo salutis" under my username. In Him, Doc |
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6 | need information on galatians Chapter 6 | Heb 3:12 | peacebestill | 209195 | ||
Doc Okay having waded through three pages of stuff in your name on ordu salutis I found one single post by you that hits around my set of questions to you; Number 165860 where you discuss the process of sanctification to around which my questions centered? So having also taken the time to read through two of the pages on antinomianism with out finding your name, although I admit I did not dive below the serface to see if you answered anyone, I find that unprincipled principle that some believe a person is saved if their faith is not accompanied by attendant works. Now, having established that I do understand what you mean by this post to me here I would have to say this to you about what you wrote me and about what I meant in my statements to you and was asking about; Seeing as how we know that one does not get saved by any works of one's own and that it is a work of God, of the Holy Spirit of Jesus and the Gospel and is a work of grace and not the keeping of the law - The work of sanctification is of the work of the Holy Spirit, and our good works showing evidence of our faith is the result of the work by the Holy Spirit and not of our own merit. Is it not so? So then, my questions had nothing what ever to do with a person being saved and walking off into the sunset as a continual sinner at all, and them me or anybody claiming THEY'RE SAVED! My questions pretained to a category of true believers who got saved by grace, of whom Peter and Barnabus were prime examples, in Galatia who fell after receiving that grace by dabbling with being law keepers. As well being that Peter and Barnabus were indeed saved and remained saved despite that fall; I was asking you specifically if you felt that "giving up grace" was an eternal result of having left of that grace in practice, or if the result was really "a temporary fall from grace"? I was also asking you in what sense does one "throw grace completely out"? I was also asking you if you think that the "throwing away grace completely" is "losing salvation", or "never had it"? I appreciate your post and pointing out opposite poles by my questions were being asked from the stance that Paul was writing to believers who got saved by grace and that once saved you are always saved... With the added unvoiced thought that the Holy Spirit does the work of regeneration on saved sinners, not us, we are dirty and He takes His time and cleans us up, and so we have the picture in Galatians of sinners who are indeed Christians who He will indeed clean up regardless that they stumbled in faith 101. (?) I am more interested in what you think than what I think, I only hope this time I was more rather clear... Would you lean more toward the Augustinian version of sanctification, or the Reformed version as described here? (Scroll down please in the link.) http://www.sharperiron.org/showthread.php?t equal sign 1207 I am goint with elements of both... Here is the scripture I am standing on; Titus 3:4-7 But when the kindness of God our savior by His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis fo deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of the regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. So that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Here is the other verse I would stand on in this; 2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with unveleiled facce, beholding in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory, to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit. peacebestill |
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7 | need information on galatians Chapter 6 | Heb 3:12 | DocTrinsograce | 209238 | ||
As you wish. | ||||||