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NASB | Hebrews 3:12 Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Hebrews 3:12 Take care, brothers and sisters, that there not be in any one of you a wicked, unbelieving heart [which refuses to trust and rely on the Lord, a heart] that turns away from the living God. |
Subject: need information on galatians Chapter 6 |
Bible Note: Doc Okay having waded through three pages of stuff in your name on ordu salutis I found one single post by you that hits around my set of questions to you; Number 165860 where you discuss the process of sanctification to around which my questions centered? So having also taken the time to read through two of the pages on antinomianism with out finding your name, although I admit I did not dive below the serface to see if you answered anyone, I find that unprincipled principle that some believe a person is saved if their faith is not accompanied by attendant works. Now, having established that I do understand what you mean by this post to me here I would have to say this to you about what you wrote me and about what I meant in my statements to you and was asking about; Seeing as how we know that one does not get saved by any works of one's own and that it is a work of God, of the Holy Spirit of Jesus and the Gospel and is a work of grace and not the keeping of the law - The work of sanctification is of the work of the Holy Spirit, and our good works showing evidence of our faith is the result of the work by the Holy Spirit and not of our own merit. Is it not so? So then, my questions had nothing what ever to do with a person being saved and walking off into the sunset as a continual sinner at all, and them me or anybody claiming THEY'RE SAVED! My questions pretained to a category of true believers who got saved by grace, of whom Peter and Barnabus were prime examples, in Galatia who fell after receiving that grace by dabbling with being law keepers. As well being that Peter and Barnabus were indeed saved and remained saved despite that fall; I was asking you specifically if you felt that "giving up grace" was an eternal result of having left of that grace in practice, or if the result was really "a temporary fall from grace"? I was also asking you in what sense does one "throw grace completely out"? I was also asking you if you think that the "throwing away grace completely" is "losing salvation", or "never had it"? I appreciate your post and pointing out opposite poles by my questions were being asked from the stance that Paul was writing to believers who got saved by grace and that once saved you are always saved... With the added unvoiced thought that the Holy Spirit does the work of regeneration on saved sinners, not us, we are dirty and He takes His time and cleans us up, and so we have the picture in Galatians of sinners who are indeed Christians who He will indeed clean up regardless that they stumbled in faith 101. (?) I am more interested in what you think than what I think, I only hope this time I was more rather clear... Would you lean more toward the Augustinian version of sanctification, or the Reformed version as described here? (Scroll down please in the link.) http://www.sharperiron.org/showthread.php?t equal sign 1207 I am goint with elements of both... Here is the scripture I am standing on; Titus 3:4-7 But when the kindness of God our savior by His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis fo deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of the regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. So that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Here is the other verse I would stand on in this; 2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with unveleiled facce, beholding in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory, to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit. peacebestill |