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1 | Titus 3:5 and washing of regeneration | Titus 3:5 | Morant61 | 132417 | ||
Greetings Dalcent! I went to your link! I notice that the author spends quite a bit of time attacking those with whom he disagrees. It is sad that individuals cannot discuss differing views without resorting to slanderous attacks. Dr. Robertson is certainly not infalliable. However, he is a renowned Greek scholar. His grammars are used by almost every Greek student at one time or another. To simply ignore what he has to say because it does not agree with your positions is not a wise course of action. If you would like to politely discuss the 'supposed' problems raised in your link, I would be happy to do so. But, calling people names or insulting their integrity does not prove a person's case. Allow me to quote some of the passages I am talking about: ************************************* 1) These facts demonstrate that, greek scholar though he supposedly was, his private theological and sotierological views led him astray. 2) Purely on grammatical grounds, Robertson's assertions are clearly fabricated for ulterior reasons not related to the text itself. 3) It is clear from Robertson's phrasing that he has formed a conclusion before he examined the grammar, and then formed his grammatical explanation to agree with his soteriology. In other words, he has practiced isogesis instead of exegesis. 4) Apparently, Robertson did not study Hebrew and Rabbinical texts to the same extent as Greek New Testament texts. 5) We discover then, that Robertson's secret to determine how the grammar of a particular passage is to be translated is based not on established grammatical principles, or even on the teaching "once and for all given" but on one's prior notions of what the text ought to say. Source: http://www.ccs-hk.org/DM/Robertson2-38.html *************************************** These are not the statements of someone involved in a scholarly debate! :-( In fact, one of the author's supposed fatal flaws to Dr. Robertson's position is that one of the early translations into Aramaic does not agree with Dr. Robertson. What does a translation have to do with the actual Greek text? A translation is a translation, and is only accurate to the extent that it accurately reflects the orginal text. Oh well, I'll leave this topic for now. But, as I said, if you would actually like to discuss the issues and not just insult a great scholar, I would be happy to do so. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Titus 3:5 and washing of regeneration | Titus 3:5 | Dalcent | 132439 | ||
Hi there Tim, It is probably best to leave the discussion at this point. You can hardly expect a fairly conservative Catholic to take a face value a complex argument about Greek grammar that "disapproves" Catholic doctrine, especially when no Baptist friendly Bible translation follows it either. I know a Greek Orthodox Doctor of Theology (a native Greek speaker and Septuagint reader) so next time I see him I'll be interested in hearing what he makes of this. I'm simply not qualified to continue discussing this. Thanks for the time you spent answering this, Dalcent |
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3 | Titus 3:5 and washing of regeneration | Titus 3:5 | Morant61 | 132448 | ||
Greetings Dalcent! No problem my friend! I would just be very cautious of web sites whose method of argument is to attack the person. I always begin by assuming that a person is honest and truely seeking the truth. There are many 'doctrines' where honest and intelligent people simply disagree. In those cases, I will present my evidence and listen to theirs. To me, when a person begins 'attacking' another person, it is because they don't have any 'evidence'. :-) In the case of this particular web site, the author doesn't present hard 'fact', but his opinion. But, he then attacks Dr. Robertson for presenting his opinion. That makes me very nervous! :-) Plus, I look at the credibility of the persons involved. Agree or disagree with him, Dr. Robertson is not some 'hack'. He is a recongnized expert in Greek. Now, grammar is a very fluid thing. It evolves over time. So, I don't always agree with everything that I have read about grammar. But, I would never think about attacking the person with whom I disagree. I know one example that I disagree with many 'Greek' experts concerns the conditional 'ei'. Most will argue that 'ei' usually means 'if', but sometimes means 'since'. I have researched this question quite a bit and simply don't find it to be true. :-) Anyway, if you hear from your friend and can get a detailed position (not simply an affirmation or denial), I would like to hear it. I am always interested in considering real evidence. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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