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1 | Paul our pattern to follow, not Jesus? | 2 Tim 3:16 | mark d seyler | 169605 | ||
Your what if questions can only call for speculation. What if I only had the writings of Paul? Have you seen the movie "Time Changer"? This movie seeks to answer the question "what if you separate the teachings of Jesus from the authority of Jesus? Without the Person of Jesus, without the authority of God, why should anyone obey the Law of Love? It all points to Jesus, and the fact is, we have the entire Bible. So to ask "what if we didn't?" is looking for an answer that we don't know. I believe the Holy Spirit is able to teach a man who does not have the Scriptures, or the complete Scripture, but that does not describe you, or me, or whomever is asking you this question. Did the early Gentile believers have access to all of the Bible? Obviously not, so long as the New Testament was still being written and distributed. But the did have the Apostles who penned the New Testament. Acts 2:42 They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. The Apostle's teachings, whether spoken or written, fed the early church. Do I think that God gave sufficient Scriptures to Paul for the Gentiles? How many are enough? Is some of God's Word enough when there is more available? Not to me! Is some enough when that is all you have? God will make it to be enough. He Who multiplied the fish and the loaves can multiply His Word in your heart. Think of how much depth you can receive as you sit and meditate on one verse! But is that any reason to think we don't need something that God saw as important to give us? I would not be so bold to say that. We have been given a Law of Love to keep, which is the summation of the entire Law. It is from Jesus example first that we can learn to keep that Law, and also through Paul's example. Understanding what the Law means to the New Covenant believer will add a richness to life that does not come another way. We do not gain righteousness by the keeping of the Mosaic Law, and yet, Jesus lived that law, and wants to live His life through us. The Law tells us how to have relationship with God, with others, how to treat animals, and the planet, and ourselves. What part would you say in unimportant? Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | Paul our pattern to follow, not Jesus? | 2 Tim 3:16 | Bereaniam | 169611 | ||
Mark, Are you a Messianic Jew? Why are you defending the Jews and the Law? Peter said in Acts 15:10, why do you (Jews) put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear.Isaiah said in Acts 28:27... the heart of these people (Jews) is waxed gross, and their ears and eyes have they closed...Be it known...that salvation of God is sent to the Gentiles, and they will hear it (gospel). However, I know the Jews will have their time of salvation, Heb 10:16. You said the early Gentiles had the apostles who penned the New Testament. Sir, only three of the disciples penned the New Testament. Paul wrote 14 books of the N.T; Luke, the only Gentile to write any of the bible, wrote 2 books; Mark, not an apostle, wrote 1; and James, the Lord's brother wrote 1. You also said, "they devoted themselves to the apostle's teaching, to fellowship, breaking bread, and prayer. Who are the "they", Gentiles or Jews? That scripture is in Acts 2. There were no Gentile converts at that time, were there? You ask what part of the of the Law is unimportant. All of the bible is important for instruction in righteousness, doctrine, etc., but there are 613 laws that do not all apply to me. I do not wear tassels on the 4 corners of my garments, or have a fence around my roof,or stone my disobedient children, or kill people caught in adultery, or offer animals as sacrifices, or never go into the Holy of Holies, put idol worshippers to death, etc.? The Law was a schoolmaster that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the schoolmaster. The Law is not of faith, Christ redeemed us from the Law. Trying to live under the Law frustrates the Grace of God, it says Jesus was not enough. Read Gal. 3. Bereaniam |
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3 | Paul our pattern to follow, not Jesus? | 2 Tim 3:16 | mark d seyler | 169637 | ||
Jesus taught: Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. and so I will not tell you that I think God no longer cares if you worship other gods, or commit adultery, or don't have a fence around your upstairs patio. As I said earlier, we are not justified by the keeping of the Law. The Law we are commanded to keep is the Law of Love. Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Jesus does not tell us to ignore the Law and the Prophets, He tells us how to keep them. Not by just abstaining from outward behaviors, such as adultery, but by abstaining from inward behaviors and attitudes, such as lust and hate. And of course, we can only do that by faith in Him. Again, this is not how we are justified, not how we are saved. But it is still God's will for us, that we would love as He loves, and His love is in keeping with His Law. Jesus was the perfect expression of Love, never deviating from love, and never violating the Law. Trying to be justified by the law is what is against grace. It is because God said "do not murder" that we know God does not wish us to murder. Because God said "pay for the loss your ox incurred" that we know God wants us to take responsibility for our negligence. When we endeavor to not steal even when we want to, we are not "frustrating grace", we are living love. You want to divide the various laws to say "this one I should keep", and "this one I don't need to keep." I will leave that as a matter for your own conscience. As a point of reference, Mark wrote, it is believed, Peter's words. Also, we aren't actually told whether or not Mark was an apostle. Not just the 12 were apostles, you know. No, I am not a Jew. Well, I am one inwardly. :-) I think it would be cool to have blue tassels, and I wouldn't wonder if we all wore blue tassels in the Kingdom Age. But seriously... I don't think there is more I can add to this discussion, so I will close with this (from Paul): Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Love in Christ, Mark |
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