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1 | A divorced pastor in ministry? | 1 Tim 3:2 | Searcher56 | 22792 | ||
Raul ... I don't see Stanley's name on the list and I do not care what the "experts" say. I refuse to listen to ministers who don't meet all the qualifications. Searcher | ||||||
2 | A divorced pastor in ministry? | 1 Tim 3:2 | Raul Goulden | 22817 | ||
You said- "I do not care what the 'experts' say." To which I reply- "no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." -2 Peter 1:20 Unless you can show from the passage itself (God's Word) how this qualification automatically bars divorced men you are espousing a private interpretation. Your standard has, "to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion," but it is not from the Word of God. If you consider Mr. Stanley to be an eminent theologian feel free to add him to the list. RG |
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3 | A divorced pastor in ministry? | 1 Tim 3:2 | Searcher56 | 22836 | ||
Scripture ... 1 Tim 3:2, Tit 1:4, 2 Pet 1:16-21 ... Raul, No divorced pastors (1 Tim 3:2, Tit 1:4) also has its "experts" ... and I also studied 2 Peter 1:16-21 in the context of verse 20. If we cannot interpet Scripture, then all you can do is read it, including the qualifications for a pastor. I'm done on this thread. S |
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4 | A divorced pastor in ministry? | 1 Tim 3:2 | Raul Goulden | 22851 | ||
Bare assertion again. Since you don't want to provide a reason for your interpretation I will back up mine. The greek doesn't support your position, for the greek language had readily available words for "not divorced" or "not remarried," those words were not used. Also, the qualifications listed in that verse are all positive qualities, which contextually gives support to the "faithful" interpretation. Re: your comments on 2 Peter 1:20, scripture interpretation is not legitimate when it is based on what you think or what you feel. The scriptures teach immutable truth, your interpretation is either correct or incorrect. If you are unwilling to be a good Berean and search to see whether your interpretation is valid you are doing what is forbidden, that is, holding a private interpretation. My interpretation is based on the plain reading of the text, context, study of the original language of the text, the opinions of the best exegetes and greek scholars. While it is possible for you to come to another conclusion having carefully considered the Word of God, you have offered nothing but an opinion (i.e. private interpretation). To hold a private interpretation, especially one without the support of 2000 years of Christianity, is to de facto deny the existance or work of the Holy Spirit. RG |
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5 | A divorced pastor in ministry? | 1 Tim 3:2 | EdB | 22869 | ||
Raul You make a good case but let me add that verse 4 says this same person must manage his household well. I contend that a divorce shows the household was not always managed well. Now I will concede that a case can be made for a man to have made a mistake and then after some period of time learned to manage his household to the point there would be no further divorce. But this would only be true after many years of faithful service and growing within his life. Today we see men and women divorce and many step right back into the pulpit saying everything is fine. Further your assertion that there are many other Greek words that could have been used there brings me to a point I was trying to make many months ago. Paul used this particular term for a reason and reason was not to make room for divorce (God hates divorce) but rather to insure the man was in fact married and biblically pure. Jesus clearly taught that to divorce and remarry unless the covenant of marriage was broken by adultery had the married person living in adultery. I believe the only divorced person that could fit the standard in 1 Tim 3 would be a person that was divorced and remarried before their salvation. EdB |
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6 | A divorced pastor in ministry? | 1 Tim 3:2 | Raul Goulden | 22891 | ||
Now we are making progress. You said- "I contend that a divorce shows the household was not always managed well." I reply- So a promiscuous spouse automatically shows some ineptitude or shortcoming? God says His spouse was adulterous, do you want to call His character and management skills into question? I suppose you believe that the victims of spousal abuse or rape do something to ask for it too? You said- "I believe the only divorced person that could fit the standard in 1 Tim 3 would be a person that was divorced and remarried before their salvation." I say- Is this something like the ancient heresy that post-baptismal sins are harder to get forgiven? Don't get me wrong, I do not think that divorced men should be given a pass on their divorce when being considered for leadership. I just see absolutely no Biblical case for a blanket disqualification. We do care what the Bible has to say, right? RG |
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7 | A divorced pastor in ministry? | 1 Tim 3:2 | Sir Pent | 22901 | ||
Contrary View, experience ....................... Dear Raul, You are correct in a theoretical sense that it is possible for a marriage to fall apart based completely on the faults of only one person in it. However, I have never known anyone to whom that applied, and find it incredibly unlikely that it would be the case for anyone. It has been my experience that when a relationship of any kind (and especially one with the strength of marriage) destructs, that there are at least two people at fault. I would be fairly certain that somewhere along the line, the "Christian" half of the marriage was also at fault. Maybe it would be in how they responded to problems. Maybe it would be in lacking sensitivity to even notice the problems until it was too late. Maybe it would go all the way back to making a poor decision regarding a life partner. Any of these flaws in a person (and many others that could be involved) would also be a serious hinderence to effective leadership in a church. I realize that this is rather harsh, and that I am quite possibly offending those of our forum who have been divorced. Please be patient with me, for I only share what I have observed and believe. I still love you all in Christ, and fully believe in His forgiveness for all of your and my sins. I just feel that we need to have a higher standard of leadership in the church (at least in America). The failings of prominent church "leaders" in our country have done more to damage the Kingdom of God than anything else that I know of. |
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8 | A divorced pastor in ministry? | 1 Tim 3:2 | EdB | 22906 | ||
Sir Pent Well SAID!!!! EdB |
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