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1 | Submit . . . unless it hurts? | Eph 5:33 | srchng | 66612 | ||
retxar, I'm afraid I wasn't as clear as I thought I was, or that perhaps you misread me. In reality, I never stated a position. Rather, I asked a set of questions in the context of citations of "models" of submission to the Lord that leave one marvelling. I had no "position" to justify with the scripture I gave. I certainly didn't "insist that a wife submitting to a physically abusive husband in a life threatening relationship is God's intent and meaning." What I actually did was ask the question. And I asked whether wives are called to a lower standard of submission to their husbands than the standard of submission to the Lord that men are called to, with a request for correction if I'd misunderstood submission. But I didn't ask it that succinctly. I also didn't assert, (as you said that scripture doesn't suggest or imply,) that abuse is the “tough pill women are required to swallow.” If you re-read, you'll see that I said that submission to anyone, even God, is a tough pill for *anyone* (not just women) to swallow, due to what we call "sin nature." And no insult toward anyone was intended. You may be right that enduring abuse, pain, injury, and death, is not “as unto the Lord”, but rather, is as unto the devil. But I wouldn't want to say that to John the Baptist, Job, Jesus, the martyrs, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum (or so.) I am looking for scriptural principles that can be applied to real life, even if I don't like the immediate ramifications. I'm looking for truth that supercedes temporal convenience, comfort, and even safety. I believe there's more to Life than just this life, so I need to be or *become* willing to spend this life wisely, in light of scripture. The questions at hand are these: 1) If it wasn't submission to the Lord when Job said, "Though He slay me, yet will I serve Him," (or when others surrendered even their very lives to Him,) then what is submission "unto the Lord?" 2) Do wives have a lesser calling to submission to the Lord than men (or husbands, specifically) so that they are called on to submit to their husbands less than these scriptural (and martyr-type) models of submission submitted to the Lord? (Assuming that these are God-ordained models of submission. If they aren't , please explain why, scripturally. I'd like to get your perspective.) 3) If women are called to a lesser submission "to the Lord" than men are called to, then why? 4) Are women (wives, specifically) called to submit to the Lord according to these "models," the same as men are called to submit to the Lord? 5) If women are called to submit to their husbands, "as unto the Lord," according to these scriptural "models" of submission to the Lord, then how does that exclude the painful, injurious, or deadly stuff? And the last plea I made was, "Please help me see where scripture relieves a wife of the resposibility under God to submit to her husband because it pains, injures, or even kills her." As for rightly dividing the Word of Truth, that's what I was asking for help with. Can you help? Thanks in advance, -srchng |
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2 | Submit . . . unless it hurts? | Eph 5:33 | justme | 66640 | ||
srchng: There is a lot of advice being tossed at you, and your last post was at 2:10am. Wow, and you started at 5:16pm, that's a lot of time invested seeking answers. Do you feel that your husband just might feel neglected when you are up at the computer at 2am? I am not saying the problems are because of you, but it is questionable as to what really is the problem. I know the Forum members who respomded to you, have tried to help. I mean no disrespect, but what if you had spent that same nine hours in prayer and sutdy of the Word in reguards to marriage? I think you might have a clearer direction, and a peace that God brings by seeking His will for you in His Word. May I suggest reading 1 Corinthians 7:1-11 for a short view od leaving your husband. For a more complete understanding read read all 16 chapters. Yes I am serious, it would take only a few hours at most. With reading the complete book you have nothing taken out of contex. This would give you the answers you seek, I am sure! The book of James the first chapter is very helpful. Especially verse 5. There it tells how to get wisdom, which it appears you are needing. By going to the source, the WORD of God you allow the Holy Spirit to lead and instruct you. No matter who give you advise there is one sure way to find real truth that heals, brings comfort and peace, with wisdom. Nine hours in prayer, and study in the Word can move a mountian! Nine hours on the computer is only getting spiritual opinions of humans who do not know you like the Lord does. Read Psalm 139 if that chapter does not convience you that God knows all your ways, and days, nothing ever will. Always go to the LORD first, as He is your Heavenly Father who loves you unconditionaly! I hope this changes your life. justme |
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3 | Submit . . . unless it hurts? | Eph 5:33 | srchng | 66661 | ||
justme, Thanks for your note, and your concern. But remember, the times given as to when posts were submitted are Eastern Time. And I really didn't (and couldn't) spend nine hours a day at this. And I never said I had a husband. I'm looking for scriptural answers that I haven't found on my own. I most appreciate your third paragraph. Finally some meat! I think I'll keep an eye on your posts. I'm impressed. Thank you, -srchng |
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4 | Submit . . . unless it hurts? | Eph 5:33 | justme | 66670 | ||
srching: I am not impressed at all!I am glad you found some "meat". I feel like you are acting like a wolf in sheep's skin. If this was a made up situation I do not appreciate this at all. By what you said, it led a lot of forum responders on a wild goose chase. Frankly, I feel rather used and foolish. I do not have time for fun and games on the forum. justme |
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5 | Submit . . . unless it hurts? | Eph 5:33 | srchng | 66748 | ||
justme, I'm truly sorry you feel so badly about all this. I posed real questions based on real concerns in real life. I don't know if you're aware of the kinds of ideas floating around among those who are ostensibly Christians, but these are not pretend questions. I want to be better equipped to address these questions from a point of understanding. The issue of submission in marriage is important, and often a point of serious conflict. How God means for it to work in the worst circumstances is a lot harder to grasp and implement than how in the best or the normal circumstances. I didn't make anything up. These were my questions, my concerns, and my thoughts. I've seen and known abuse. I hate it. I want scriptural answers to it. And I want to understand those answers. The "meat" I found was, as I mentioned, primarily in your third paragraph. It "fed" me. It gave me what I needed, or at least some of it. I don't know how many more abusive situations I will encounter, but you've helped me see more than I saw before, and that might save someone's life. That's not how I understand a wild goose chase. No fun and games here either. Again, thank you. -srchng |
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