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1 | Worthy of Honor but not of Respect | Eph 5:33 | Mommapbs | 21647 | ||
In other Scriptures,(I Tim. 3:11; Titus 2:2 et al) both men and woman are challenged to be worthy of respect. How does a woman repect her husband if he has not demonstrated a character that is worthy of that respect? This has been troubling me for a while. How can a woman respect a husband that abuses her or violates his vows? I feel that perhaps we are focusing on the wrong word here. In the Oxford version, repect is translated as reverence. Reverence is a much different word - it connotes honor. Everyone is worthy of honor because Jesus died for us all; He makes us worthy. In that, a woman can be obedient to God's Word as she honors her husband out of reverence for what Christ has done. Jesus tells us that we are to love one another - even those who presecute us! According to I Peter 2:17 showing love is what proper respect is."Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king." The wife "must see to it " that she chooses to love at all costs! Love covers a multitude of sins! We dare not respect the sin, but love the heart of the sinner out of reverence for the Lord. |
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2 | Worthy of Honor but not of Respect | Eph 5:33 | retxar | 65700 | ||
The scripture you gave as reference (Eph 5:33) speaks of a great need that women have; her need to know that someone loves her and her need for the security that someone is hearing from God on her behalf. It also speaks of a great need that men have; for him to know that someone respects him and has the convidence in him to make the right decisions and for him to know he is trusted to hear from God on situations concerning his family. Eph 5:22 says “Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.” This is a high calling! But the previous verse says believers are to also submit to one another. This is an even higher calling! A believing husband and wife are brothers and sister in Christ first. Being husband and wife is a relationship that will exist “until death do they part”, but being brothers and sisters in Christ is a relationship that will exist for eternity! Mutual submissiveness has to happen in different situations in order for a marriage to work. Based on Eph 5:22, wives are to submit to their husbands “as to the Lord”. This simply means she trust God to speak to her husband on her behalf. I know of no Godly women who’s husband is following the Lord and also loves her enough to die for her, having any problem at all with this! Man’s role as being the scriptural authority in the home is a role of strength and service, not dictatorship and dominance. The only way for a man to meet this God-given role and to have the right attitude of doing what God requires, is to consider it a duty, not a right. If the husband is not hearing from the Lord, it is obvious that God never intended for the wife to go against His Word to fulfil her role as submissive wife, but she should never question God’s perfect family model and the God-given office that God has given the husband in the home, whether he is fulfilling that role or not. God bless you! retxar |
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3 | Worthy of Honor but not of Respect | Eph 5:33 | Mommapbs | 65739 | ||
Greetings retxar - thank you for your response. You wrote, "If the husband is not hearing from the Lord, it is obvious that God never intended for the wife to go against His Word to fulfil her role as submissive wife, but she should never question God’s perfect family model and the God-given office that God has given the husband in the home, whether he is fulfilling that role or not." I agree with this statement and this is what I was trying to convey in my original post (obviously, I did a rather poor job of it!) As another example, in light of the Clinton presidency, we can still honor the office even if the man to whom it was been given behaved in an unGodly manner. So in a marriage, we can honor the position of authority God has given the husband, even if he dishonors God and his wife by his choices. And taken a step further, as believers we can extend the love of Christ to others when we see them as God does, loved enough to die for and made worthy by Christ's death. All are the same in Christ (Gal 3:28-9). I have some friends who have been abused and adopting this attitude toward the abusing spouse seems (to me anyway) a God honoring and obedient response. If a woman is in physical danger, does submission require that she remain in the home? In the relationship? Initially, what prompted my attention was the deisre to be obedient to God in the marital realtionship and the term "respect" connoting a sense of admiration. Do you "respect" yourself, meaning, do you admire and validate the sin nature you possess? Or, do you "honor or esteem" yourself because of what Christ has done for you? Are you following my thinking? I am so thankful to God that I am married to a Godly man! Blessings, mommapbs |
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4 | Worthy of Honor but not of Respect | Eph 5:33 | retxar | 65754 | ||
Your original post was plenty clear to me and I don't understand why there was any misunderstanding on what you were saying. I guess I have been guilty of shooting 1st and reading latter myself at times, so I would just brush the criticism you received as that, if I were you. As far as your question of whether submissiveness requires a woman to accept physical abuse and live in an atmosphere of fear of life and health; absolutely not! retxar |
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5 | Submit . . . unless it hurts? | Eph 5:33 | srchng | 66451 | ||
Maybe you all can help me with this. If I remember correctly, Job "submitted" to the Lord, saying, "Though He slay me, yet will I serve Him." If he didn't say that, please correct me (or tell me who did say it.) Or, if that wasn't submission, what is submission? It seems that Jesus also gives a model for submitting even to the point of death. Isn't that what the martyrs did too? Isn't that the scriptural model of submission to God? Then there's Daniel and his buddies, perhaps with a different dynamic. If this is proper submission to the Lord, then how can wives submit to their husbands "as unto the Lord?" (Eph. 5:22) Do wives have a lesser calling to submission to the Lord than men (or husbands, specifically) so that they are called on to submit to their husbands less than these scriptural (and martyr-type) models of submission submitted to the Lord? Did God design women (wives, specifically) to be less capable of the strengths or qualities necessary for submission than Job, Jesus, and the martyrs (some of whom were women?) Submission to anyone, even God, is a tough pill for any person to swallow, due to what we refer to as "sin nature." Submission to the point of pain or injury, let alone death, is naturally untenable. Are we called to live "naturally?" Please help me see where scripture relieves a wife of the resposibility under God to submit to her husband because it pains, injures, or even kills her. Isn't a husband (or wife) to submit to the Lord that way? I'd really like to understand this. Please help if you can. Thanks, -srchng |
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6 | Submit . . . unless it hurts? | Eph 5:33 | RFriend | 66458 | ||
This is a question I struggle with constantly. The entire Bible seems written to and for men, for their benefit. Women at best, are 2nd rate, and at worst, as srchng notes, set up for terrible abuse. Every abusive man I've ever known will quote this text. When the "love your wife" part is pointed out, these men will invariably respond, "Oh, but I DO! I discipline her to HELP her." Baloney! I don't have an answer as to why the Bible seems to indicate God's love for men, but His hatred for women. I do know this: 1) No mortal man is God and submission to an infinitely pure, holy, loving Being is not the same as submission to a finite, sinful mortal. 2) No woman should stay in an abusive relationship. Get out, get out, get out. A loving God does not require you to sacrifice your life to a sinful male intent on destroying or controlling you. |
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7 | Submit . . . unless it hurts? | Eph 5:33 | srchng | 66471 | ||
Thnk you so much for your response. I would naturally agree with you. But, as I implied, I'm trying to get past thinking "naturally." And I'm really hungry for scripture to help me resolve this question. Do you know any scripture that would support the views you expressed, (that I would naturally tend to agree with?) I'm specifically looking for scripture that relieves a wife of the resposibility under God to submit to her husband because it pains, injures, or even kills her. If a married woman gets saved, and her abusive husband remains unsaved, leaving him seems to fly in the face of scripture. (1 Cor 7:13 And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. (1 Pet 3:1 In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives,) Is there anything I'm missing? Thanks, -srchng |
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8 | Submit . . . unless it hurts? | Eph 5:33 | charis | 66473 | ||
Dear srching, Greetings in Jesus' name! Bearing physical persecution for the sake of your faith is one thing, bearing physical abuse for the sake of a whim from someone that promised to love you and care for you is another. In my experience, men do not abuse their wives 'because they became Christians,' but because they want to abuse their wives. "Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace." 1 Corinthians 7:15 NASB. I would say that if physical abuse is chronic (and even psychological or emotional abuse in some cases), the the unbelieving (or even believing!) spouse is not 'with' their mate, but has 'left.' Mind you, every case needs the special attention of a caring shepherd, so I only speak in generalities. But physical abuse is dangerous and illegal. There is no Biblical commandment to bear this. Peace and wisdom to you. In Christ Jesus, charis |
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