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1 | reconcile this scripture with suicide | Eph 5:29 | DocTrinsograce | 155613 | ||
Hi, Bows... I don't mean to be flippant, but suicide is ultimately rooted in self love, not self hate. Think about it. The person who commits suicide is convinced that they do not deserve, nor ought they to endure what "life has dished out to them." If they really hated themselves, they would want to hang around in hopes of worse things happening to them. I know this is a generalization... but self love is a given. Christ Himself used it as the greatest love that He could compare to in the experience of His hearers (Matthew 22:39). My right ear was itching as I wrote this. I immediately paused and scratched the itch. That is how much man loves the flesh. We tend immediately to its every need. In Him, Doc |
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2 | how can suicide be the same | Eph 5:29 | Bows44 | 155715 | ||
But how can suicide be the same as cherishing and nourishing and carefully protecting one's self? I have ministered to suicidals and they do not love themselves. They hate themselves and are without hope. To stop them from killing themselves, we must first give them hope, then show them how to love themselves. This is something I do not understand and truly seek to understand. Since I believe in the inerrancy of scripture there must be some reasonable and logical explanation. So, I ask again...can someone reconcile this scripture with what we see happening today. Bows44 |
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3 | how can suicide be the same | Eph 5:29 | DocTrinsograce | 155717 | ||
Hi, Bows... Well, again, and I apologize because you disavow this: No matter how many people you see who commit suicide, attempt it, or contemplate it, the Scripture says that human beings naturally love themselves more than anything else. Scripture always trumps experience. That is what you are using to deny what the Scripture says, asking for "reconciliation." If it doesn't make sense, the problem is not with the Word. Always willing to give it a shot, I'll try the reason path again: Obviously, people who attempt/commit suicide, do not love God, or they would be seeking to offer up their lives to Him. They do not love others, because they take their lives despite the pain and horror it causes their family and friends. These people are utterly consumed with themselves, their own life experience, and their values. I do not know what one would call that except self love (would you prefer "egocentrism?") -- no matter what they say. In Him, Doc |
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4 | how can suicide be the same | Eph 5:29 | Bows44 | 155724 | ||
Dear Doc, Well at least this attempt makes more sense than the first. But I am not denying scripture by asking for greater understanding of it. I may not use the words you think I should use all of the time, but the intention is pure. By asking for understanding, I am admitting the problem is with my understanding and not the Word. Try thinking the best of me instead of the worst. 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 4 Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Yours in Christ, Bows44 |
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5 | how can suicide be the same | Eph 5:29 | DocTrinsograce | 155725 | ||
Dear Bows... I never intended to imply that any of your questions were anything but honest inquiries. :-) My pastor once said, "I always believe I am right, but I do not believe that I am always right." In other words, we wouldn't believe what we believe if we didn't think it was correct at the time we believe it. :-) Finding the right words is a discipline that is very important. Words are our most fundamental means of communicating. We believe in the inerrancy of Scripture as it was written; i.e., the original words. Since God uses such care to preserve His Word and to communicate exactly what He means, nothing more and nothing less; and we are to be imitators of God; then it follows that we ought to learn to take care of how we say things. Since no one is a master at this, I am sure that over time you will help me in this respect as well. Indeed, you already have, as you questioned several times exactly what I meant. If I were really good at this thing we call language, you wouldn't have had to ask! :-) In Him, Doc |
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