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1 | Propitiation: Forgiveness or Provision? | Eph 3:6 | Lionstrong | 19213 | ||
Dear Brother Bill, "It [propitiation] is forgiveness for all sins (unrighteous acts) for all people for all time. It is reconciliation." This statement means that I am forgiven. "Forgiveness was provided at the cross by Christ's blood." This statement means that I am not forgiven. So, what are saying about propitiation of the Savior. Are we forgiven by it, or not. Or does it only provide for forgiveness? Peace, Lionstrong |
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2 | Propitiation: Forgiveness or Provision? | Eph 3:6 | Bill Mc | 19225 | ||
Lionstrong, Thanks for the clarification. Now I understand. I believe that all sins were forgiven at the cross, both believers' sins and unbelievers' sins. The forgiveness that we HAVE (posess) was provided at the cross (back then). The forgiveness that OT saints experienced from animal sacrifices, was provided at the cross - Heb 9:15. I don't believe that anyone will go to hell because of their sins (breaking God's law). I believe that they will go to hell because of their unbelief in Jesus Christ and what He accomplished. But again, Lionstrong, forgiveness is not salvation. You are not saved by being forgiven. You are not saved by being reconciled. You are saved by the indwelling life of Christ in you - Rom 5:10, Rom 8:9, John 10:10, the new birth, being born again, being made a new creation, all different words for the regeneration that God causes to happen to believers. Salvation is being saved from the wages of sin (death) by the gift of God, eternal life in Jesus Christ - Rom 6:23. Forgiveness of sins was necessary so that we could have ETERNAL life. If your sins were not forgiven, the first time you sinned after the indwelling of God's Spirit, He would have to leave you. But because sins were, and now are, forgiven, He will never leave us or forsake us. And all of this is experienced through faith. God says that it is true, so I believe it. So the defining issue after the cross, despite all our wrangling of words, is not whether we are forgiven or not. The question to be asked is, 'Are you in Adam or in Christ? Are you born again of not? Is Christ's Spirit in you or not? Are you a new creation or not? Are you spiritually dead to God or alive to God through Jesus Christ?' I hope this answers your question. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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3 | Propitiation: Forgiveness or Provision? | Eph 3:6 | Bill Mc | 19237 | ||
Lionstrong, one other note. BTW, thanks for making think so hard :). I can tell that I have got to choose my words very, very carefully and say exactly what I mean, nothing more, nothing less. I feel like I'm on trial here :). Though forgiveness of sins is provided for the whole world by Christ's work on the cross 2000 years ago, not everyone has received it. It is the same with the way of salvation. It has been provided for on God's part, but our part is to believe by faith and receive it. Forgiveness for sins is not something that you get from God. It is not something that He dispenses as we need it. The forgiveness of sins is found, after the cross, only in Him and is part of our redemption. One cannot have forgiveness apart from having Christ. So though it is (you guys love these words) 'positionally' provided for at the cross, it is not 'experiencially' received until you receive Christ. Supporting scripture: Eph 1:7 - In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace. Col 1:13,14 - For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins. Acts 13:38 - Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. In conclusion, though forgiveness is provided for my Christ's work at the cross, taking away the sins of the world and reconciling God to man, it is received by faith at conversion or new birth. Thanks again for the challenge. Still forgiven, Bill Mc |
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