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1 | Tilthe calculation:On gross or net pay? | 2 Cor 9:1 | Shelly | 13115 | ||
I believe it's on the gross wage. Depends on how many deductions you have, if you do it after deductions, there could be next to no money left. eg. after tax, after health insurance, after canteen meals, after mortgage payment. And if you are looking at your net pay as an excuse to give God less, then you could even get some more deductions added to you pay, which proves it can't be right. Try giving God the tithe on your gross, and I'm sure He'll bless you like He has us. Malachi 3:10b Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it. Genesis 14:20b Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything. Luke 18:12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get. Hebrews 7:2a and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. |
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2 | Are we Justified by the law of Moses? | 2 Cor 9:1 | jlpangilinan | 13169 | ||
My Friend, Thanks for your reply Did you read it carefully where did Abram get the tenth? Genesis 14:13-20 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram. And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan. And he divided himself against them, he and his servants, by night, and smote them, and pursued them unto Hobah, which is on the left hand of Damascus. And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people. And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale. And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. Did you mean you are willing to slaughter Kings or anybody and then get thier goods and give tithes to the Lord? My friend, sometimes when you read the verses can you you read it completely, dont read it verse by verse. Please take a look from 3:6 In Malachi 3:6-10 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. Is he talking to you? or to the decendants of Jacob? (are you a JEW? I'm concern I maybe mistaken if you are Jew people)If you are not Jew and then we are belong to the same Apostle which is Paul. YOU QUOTED LUKE 18:12 Here again you read take it in just one verse could you please read it until verse 17 and tell me if Jesus Christ, justified the one that you mentioned in Luke 18:12, Luke 18:12-17 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein. In that verses its very clear that we are not going to be justified by the law of Moses if recall he tell Jesus that He followed carefully the commandments of Moses (ten commandments and others) but then the question Is he justified? Please Answer Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Is the tilthe included in the law of Moses? I sure its included. Are we going to be Justified by the law of Moses? if the law of moses can justified us (gentiles) Jesus Christ need not to be crusified. Take a look at this next verse that I will quote here: Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. The law and the prophets were until John: Now I will ask you a question? Did the tilthe is including in the law of prophets? If it is include there, and what is the question? Im not telling you that giving is wrong, if you can give more than that is more acceptable to God (Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give;)we also know that most of the Apostle gave even thier lives. But tilthe is not the requirements so you can go to Heaven. 2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. I hope you can answer those question to me. In Christ, Johnny |
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3 | Are we Justified by the law of Moses? | 2 Cor 9:1 | glory777 | 13178 | ||
Johnny- Although tithing is not a requirement for salvation, the old testament was given for our learning also. One tenth is a portion that was used then, and it was just as important to the pople then as a tenth is now. The promises God gave His people Israel are also now ours, through Christ. And some basic principles hold true. What you give you will receive. Do you believe that the Lord will follow through on His promises? He says to test Him in this. But it does depend on where your heart is about it. I heard that the word "cheerful" as in cheerful giver could be translated "hilarious". I love the idea of being so glad to give back to the Lord what He has given that you are hilarious about it. If one is looking at the principle just for the idea of payback or to become richer in money, that is the wrong attitude. Again, Jesus stressed all along that it is the position of the heart. When in doubt, the tithe is a good rule of thumb. Debbie |
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4 | Old testament | 2 Cor 9:1 | jlpangilinan | 13263 | ||
Debbie, I did not mentioned that all teaching of Old Testament was wrong, My explaination is, if there are teaching of Moses that Jesus Christ continue taught that teaching are correct. Here are my explaination regarding this topic. The teaching about tithing is the teaching of Moses, I not telling here that the teaching of Moses was wrong. I will give you some verses please read it carefully Mark 9:5-7 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. "For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him." If you notice from the paragraph that I quoted "For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid." Before Peter finish what he is going to say: (and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.") What is the meaning of this, God the tell them this is my beloved son: hear Him." Why the Lord God not tell Peter "Here they are hear them" Meaning all kind of teaching that Jesus Christ is going to teach us Him we are going to hear and follow. I did not say that we are not going to follow the teaching of Moses, But those teaching of Moses that Jesus Christ also continue taught. How about the teaching of Moses that Jesus Christ not taugh anymore, Are we going to follow those teaching? If you can give me the verse in the bible that Jesus Christ taught that tithing is the important requirements, please do. But to support my stand that tithe is not the requirements please see what Jesus Christ said: Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Again, I'm telling you that giving is not wrong, what I'm trying to say is that tithe is not a requirements for any members of the Church but if member can give more than that and it is more acceptable to God. If we remember more Apostle gave even thier lives to fullfill the teaching of Christ. You are open to question my stand In Christ, Johnny |
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5 | Old testament | 2 Cor 9:1 | Searcher56 | 13268 | ||
"Why the Lord God not tell Peter "Here they are hear them"? ... Verse 8 says He was the only one of the three left. "How about the teaching of Moses that Jesus Christ not taugh anymore, Are we going to follow those teaching?" ... I would, unless Jesus said not to. My questions -What teachings of Moses did Jesus not teach? -How do you apply Mat 5:17-19? What was He doing with the teachings of Moses? -Is something that Moses wrote that is less God breathed than what Jesu taught? Read 2Ti 3:16 first. -Does Mat 23:23 say we should not tithe, or does it make a comparison? Steve |
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6 | TITHING, SECOND COVENANT | 2 Cor 9:1 | jlpangilinan | 13271 | ||
Steve, "Why the Lord God not tell Peter "Here they are hear them"? ... Verse 8 says He was the only one of the three left. I dont think so. if you read Mark 9:6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. "BEFORE PETER FINISH WHAT HE IS GOING TO SAY" Mark 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves. I we really understand that verses it mentioned in the very start of Mark 9: verse 8: "And suddenly" it means it was in the different instances of the time already. At Mark 9:6 it mentioned: "For he wist not what to say" at that time Peter telling Jesus Christ that he is going "make three tabernacles" one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. In that particular time the vision of Moses and Elaijah was there. If in that particular time the vision left already did you think Peter is imprudent to mentioned to Jesus Christ that he is going to make tabernacles for three of them. I don’t now how careful you are by reading those verses ABOUT THE TEACHING OF MOSES THAT JESUS CHRIST DID NOT TEACH If I'm going to write here all the teaching of Moses that Jesus Christ did not teach, the database of this website "maybe" not enough to store those teaching. If we read all the books of MOSES too many teaching there that Jesus Christ did not teach? I will put here some: Deuteronomy 7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Do you think Jesus would teach those kind of teaching? I DID NOT SAY IN MY QUESTION POSTED THAT MAT 23:23 SAY THAT WE SHOULD NOT TITHE? Please dont make your question verse by verse, please read my explanation DID YOU READ MY PREVIOUS EXPLANATION WHY THE TITHE IS NOT THE REQUIREMENTS? MY QUESTION THERE: IS THE TITHE INCLUDING IN THE LAW OF MOSES? Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the Law of Moses. Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. IS THE TITHING ALSO INCLUDING IN THE LAW OF PROPHETS or NOT? JESUS WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT: FOR IF THAT FIRST COVENANT HAD BEEN FAULTLESS, THEN SHOULD NO PLACE HAVE BEEN SOUGHT FOR THE SECOND. Hebrews 8:7-9 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. DID TITHING ALSO INCLUDING IN THE FIRST COVENANT OR NOT? IF YOU CAN GIVE ME THE VERSES THAT TITHING IS NOT INCLUDING IN THE LAW OF MOSES PLEASE DO. In Christ, Johnny |
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7 | TITHING, SECOND COVENANT | 2 Cor 9:1 | Searcher56 | 13299 | ||
I see Mark 9:7 as being connect with verse 8ff more than anyting before, Johnny. You said, "Deuteronomy 7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: -Do you think Jesus would teach those kind of teaching?" ...Read what He will do in Revelation. While tithing may be part of the Law of Moses and prophets, did Jesus ever negate it? Are you saying we don't have to uphold the Law of Moses? Read Romams 3:31 first. Please annser the follwing outstanding questions: -How do you apply Mat 5:17-19? What was He doing with the teachings of Moses? -Is something that Moses wrote that is less God breathed than what Jesu taught? Read 2Ti 3:16 first. Steve |
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8 | Did Jesus Christ break the Law of MOSES? | 2 Cor 9:1 | jlpangilinan | 13885 | ||
Stevie, Sorry for not getting back to you immediately, I got sick for almost two weeks. Its seems it is your word against my mine stevie could explain your stand You mention that about the He will do in Revelation… can you specify the verse so I can answer it. If you are going to say He is going to kill the enemy of God of course He will. But did He teach that we are going to kill our neighbors? I am not saying that we don’t have uphold the Law of Moses Did I mentioned it there? What I put there are what the scriptures says it is not my word my friend. THIS IS WHAT YOU MEAN IS OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS BUT I THINK IT IS NOT -How do you apply Mat 5:17-19? What was He doing with the teachings of Moses? Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Of course Jesus as Human at the time He fulfill the law very well by fulfilling those great commandments: WHEN YOU LOVE GOD what is it in the first covenant did you disobey? Please Answer. WHEN YOU LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS what is it in the first covenant did you disobey? Please answer. The same with Jesus did he disobey when He love God and He love us as his neighbors? Please answer. This is the great commandments that Jesus taught: Matthew 22:37-39 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. JUST TO GIVE YOU THE EXAMPLE THAT FULFILLING THE LAW FOR JESUS CHRIST IS NOT JUST SIMPLY following every taught of Moses Jesus Christ do work on Sabbath Day it is punishable by death under the Law of Moses did he disobey the Law or not?. PLEASE READ THOSE VERSES: Mark 1:21 And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught. Mark 2:23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. Mark 3:2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him. Mark 3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace. If you will see Jesus Christ does many things in Sabbath Day, and it is punishable under the Law of Moses. I HOPE YOU READ THOSES VERSES, MY QUESTION TO YOU NOW IS DID JESUS CHRIST BREAK THE LAW WHEN HE DO WORK IN SABBATH DAY? If your answer is YES, then Jesus Christ is imprudent and contradict his own word at Mt 5:17-19 If your answer is NO then are convinced that fulfilling the Law for Jesus Christ is not just simply observe the law of Moses. Regarding your question about 2 Ti 3:16. I don’t think I disobey that if I love God and I love my neighbors What do you think my friend Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. I have may question there that still no answer my challenge to you is answer those entire question. IF YOU CAN GIVE ME THE VERSES THAT TITHING IS NOT INCLUDING IN THE LAW OF MOSES PLEASE DO. DID TITHING ALSO INCLUDING IN THE FIRST COVENANT OR NOT? Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. WHEN THOSE PARTICULAR VERSES WRITTEN COULD YOU PLEASE GIVE ME THE VERSES IN THE BIBLE WHERE THEY EXCLUDE TITHE IS THE TITHING ALSO INCLUDING IN THE LAW OF PROPHETS or NOT? I want answer supported by verse in the Bible. JOHNNY |
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9 | Did Jesus Christ break the Law of MOSES? | 2 Cor 9:1 | 13910 | |||
First of all Jesus was High Priest and he can change the covenant because of this reason, also he was the son of God and did not die therfor his new covenant did not die either and thats why we have life eternal through our high priest Jesus Christ and moses wrote about him so how could he break his law? He wrote the law apon our hearts instead of the law condeming us to death so therfor we have life, his new covenant was his blood so we would no slauter sheep and gaots ext. for that was the old way and the old way passed away when Jesus rolled on the sene. | ||||||
10 | Did Jesus Christ break the Law of MOSES? | 2 Cor 9:1 | jlpangilinan | 13914 | ||
Thank you very much, but my discussion with Steve is not because of that reason. We start this Topic about tithing. I hope you know how this topic did start. I also answered the question to of how Jesus Christ fulfill the law according to what He mentioned in Mt. 5:17-19. Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Johnny |
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