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1 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | Tamara Brewington | 205355 | ||
Dear Dan, Very interesting indeed, did you see brother Tim Moran's last post to me about the meaning of the words commits adultery in the Mark passage? He is right, and how about this, Mark's account is the eldest account and may actually be considered to be more accurate by some commentators. I though it was interesting to rediscover that in Mark is actually says that who ever divorces his wife makes her an adulteress, having nothing to do with that she committed adultery. The reason for this is that there was no such thing as your father taking you back, your father arranged to have you remarried at the earliest possbible convenience and that made you an adulteress, which is what Jesus meant. Some of these issues are not reconcileable in the usual way do to the grammatical constructions from one account to another. Reconciling these accounts is not so simple as reconciling say, the tomb accounts. No one said there was a conflict, a difference maybe, not a conflict. While it is true that if we confess He is faithful to forgive, consider that you cannot remain in the sin and keep walking in it just because you were forgiven. I said it before, I will say it again; if this were a case of fornication and someone said, I repent, but kept right on living in it, would you think they were going to heaven? I don't think so, and I bet you don't either, but when it comes to adultery, depending on who is doing the exegesis someone gets a free pass. What no one except Tim Moran has been able to do, for lack of skill is to do a grammatical and an historical criticism of these passages thoroughly to see exactly what the Greek was saying, not a word study, that is not enough, the tenses, the finite minutia of Greek, and a real thorough histocial study to determine exactly what the author's intended the texts to mean. That stuff is not able to be seen by looking up every word in Greek, more is involved. For instance did you know that the word porneia can refer to a number of things according to, not how we see the word listed in the Strong's but according to how the word was used in the first century? The word inicates immorality many kinds; a woman being seen with another man in public, a man improperly touching a woman - on her face - her arm with a caress, as fornication by penetration, as adultery by penetration, as temple worship idol sex between homosexuals or lesbians or bewtween heterosexuals, as masturbation, as sexual fondeling another, need I go on? When we look at the grammar for Mark and see that it says whoever divorces his wife makes her an adulteress, we also can see that it makes him an aduterer, without qualification of cause. When we look at the grammar in Mathew we discover that the verse in question is clausal; whoever divorces his wife except for immorality, is the first clause; and marries another woman commits adultery is a second clause - the exegetical commentators say that the first clause states clearly the ability to get a divorce for immorality, but that the second clause depends on the first clause in a cause for getting a divorce by says absolutely nothing about the right to remarry. In I Corinthians 7:15 we have a big problem with the modern translation of a Greek transiliteration into English. Every one takes this verse to mean if the unbeliever leaves then you are free to remarry. The text says no such thing, it says that if they leave and are an unbeliever then the believer is not bound to reamain married, no where in the that text does it say you are free to get remarried, but people read that into it even though the English grammar, the Greek grammar does not support that. In fact Paul comments on the state of marriage and on what grounds one can remarry at the end of the passage in verse 39 saying a wife is bound to her husband as long as she lives, what it does not say is, but if one of them commits adultery you are free to remarry, you are certainly free to divorce in such a case, but not to remarry... There is no way to get that out of it without reading it into the text. Going to get those books that brother Tim Moran suggested in a post back there somewhere... God's Day To You, Tamara |
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2 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | Wild Olive Shoot | 205366 | ||
Dear Tamara, I should probably start a new thread since this will be off the topic of discussion for this one, but... Can you elaborate a bit on this quote from you reply: "Mark's account is the eldest account and may actually be considered to be more accurate by some commentators." Is not all scripture God breathed? Do you not see a danger in holding certain scripture above others when it is all God's Word? Stand in His grace, WOS |
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3 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | Tamara Brewington | 205397 | ||
Dear WOWS, I was making a point my good saint in answer to another one; namely this, where someone else said that Mathew had been an eye witness and that his account may have held more weight, or something to that effect, I said that (in light of that statement) Mark was written earlier - my point was not to place one scripture over another but to point out that we shouldn't do that and that each may have features which would make them, possibly to some commentators (notice I did not say to me) be more reliable accounts. For the reasons stated above some commentators (again, not me) hold one or another account of the same thing as closer to what may actually have happened. This is called critical commentary, part of an historical research to determine what actually occured. A valid reconstruction of events of the passages or surrounding events of the passages. This is not an attempt to disparage scriptures, to say that one or the other may be seen by a commentator, who is much better trained at looking at the subject at hand to determine the things I just mentioned. No one was holding scripture above another when it is all God's Word. That is not the case. This is purely about Bible Study, not preferences. God's Day To You, Tamara |
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4 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | DocTrinsograce | 205398 | ||
You do seem to get yourself into real pickles, Tamara. :-) Perhaps you should go back to asking about hats? ;-) | ||||||
5 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | Tamara Brewington | 205400 | ||
Dear Doc, I am laughing so hard and my face is so cracked up I can barely type which is why it is taking me so long to reply to you my dear good man... Yeah, oh meo mio, hats, marriage, critical commentators, fumbling attemtps at good exegesis, virtual blow outs, figurative run ins, suppossed views, Bible Study (!), soul sleep, preterism, oh meo mio. Movie "Big Trouble in little Chinatown" - when an eight foot giant slaps the back of your favorite head against the bar room wall and asks you if have paid your dues, you look that eight foot giant in the eye and say, "have I paid my dues, have I paid my dues, yes sir, the check is in the mail!" - Jesus paid the whole thing! Here is one for you Doc; II Timothy 4:2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great diligence and instrution. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will trun aside to myths. Hope your Sunday has been a blessed day, mine has, God's Day To You, Tamara |
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6 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205419 | ||
Tamara- this is a great verse to always keep in front of us as we study. I'm hoping that you didn't mean to imply that the second half of the verse applies to anyone participating in this particular thread. God bless, Jeff |
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7 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | Tamara Brewington | 205421 | ||
Hunh? Scratchin my head here... the second half of verse I Cor. 6:9? Hunh wa? Explain Ricky Explain! (shades of Lucile Ball).. Tam |
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8 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205423 | ||
Sorry Tam- I wasn't referring to 1Cor 6:9, that was already attached to the thread from previous posts. I was referring to the second half of 2Tim 4:2 which you quoted in your post to Doc. Sorry I wasn't more specific and I can see how you were confused. Just finished cleaning the pool and I believe I'm a little fish-headed. Jeff |
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9 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | Tamara Brewington | 205427 | ||
Dear Jeff, No dear, that was about Doc continuing to teach sound doctrine as he always does my dear... Tam |
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