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1 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | Tamara Brewington | 205279 | ||
Dear Forum members, First referrnce to go with the question; I Corinthians 6:9,10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor theives, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Second referrence for the question; Mathew 19:8 Because of the hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery. Mark 10:11,12 And He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery. Third referrence for the question; Hebrews 6:4-6 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then ahve fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. Fourth referrence for the question; Mathe 7:21 Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord', will enter the kindom of heaven, but he who does the will of the Father who is in heaven will enter. Here is the situation, I have had the pleasure to know a number of wonderfull Christian couples who were previously divorced and then got remarried. Here are variations on this subject that will drive my question; 1)One member of the present marriage was divorced while an unbeliever due to both unbelieving parties committing adultery getting divorced, but repented of committing adultery and getting a divorce and after becoming a Christian got married to a Christians widow. 2)One member of the present marriage got a divorce due to their unbelieving spouse committing adultery and leaving, and then met a wonderful Christian and got married. 3)Both members of the present marriage had previous spouses who committed adultery on them and got divorced and all parties involved were Christians, then they met and got married. All of these marriages are wonderful marriages and these Christians appear to be bearing good fruit and have been married a very long time. Question; does not the Bible teach that when we sin, we have an advocate, but that we have to repent of our sin and walk away from remaining in sin in order for God to truly have grounds for forgiving us? Next question; why do some Christians feel as if once you are divorced you can be in a new marriage because there is nothing you can do about the mess up of the old one, so now it is ok to marry someone else? Jesus said two things up there about divorce; who ever marries a divorced person (without qualifying it) commits adultery, and who ever divorces someone except for immorality and marries another commits adultery. Next question; how then is there any grounds to get remarried at all just because someone committed adultery? By His Grace, Tamara |
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2 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | danjg | 205353 | ||
Dear Tamara..as you've already seen, this issue is a controversial one, even among Christians. Here's my understanding of Scripture that might be helpful: 1-It's clear from Scripture that God's marriage ideal is one man and one woman for as long as they shall live (Gen 2:24). 2-Malachi 2:16 tells us that God hates divorce 3-Man is sinful and therefore misses God's ideal often 4-1 John 1:9 is true..."If we confess...He is faithful to forgive" 5-God allows (but doesn't compel) divorce in only two situations: unrepentant adultery by a marriage partner (Matt 19) and desertion by an unbelieving marriage partner (1 Cor 7) 6-God's ideal is reconciliation and restoration of the marriage, but that takes commitment by BOTH parties 7-If divorce takes place and one partner remarries, then obviously there's no chance for restoration. 8-When we come to Christ for salvation all past sins are forgiven including divorce and/or remarriage This issue is further complicated b/c there can be so many variables in a given divorce situation: Were one or both Christians at the time? Did the "innocent" party really try to reconcile or were they truly "innocent"? Has there been multiple divorces and remarriage? Etc. Etc. This is a condensed version (LOL) so if you would like more clarification, let me know! Concerning your question about the difference between Matthew and Mark's statements about divorce: If one passage gives more details about an incident than another, those details are part of the total description! Also, Matthew was an eyewitness while Mark was not. That may account for the difference! Therefore I see no conflict and believe that Jesus said "except for immorality" when He was giving this teaching! Blessings, Dan |
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3 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | Tamara Brewington | 205355 | ||
Dear Dan, Very interesting indeed, did you see brother Tim Moran's last post to me about the meaning of the words commits adultery in the Mark passage? He is right, and how about this, Mark's account is the eldest account and may actually be considered to be more accurate by some commentators. I though it was interesting to rediscover that in Mark is actually says that who ever divorces his wife makes her an adulteress, having nothing to do with that she committed adultery. The reason for this is that there was no such thing as your father taking you back, your father arranged to have you remarried at the earliest possbible convenience and that made you an adulteress, which is what Jesus meant. Some of these issues are not reconcileable in the usual way do to the grammatical constructions from one account to another. Reconciling these accounts is not so simple as reconciling say, the tomb accounts. No one said there was a conflict, a difference maybe, not a conflict. While it is true that if we confess He is faithful to forgive, consider that you cannot remain in the sin and keep walking in it just because you were forgiven. I said it before, I will say it again; if this were a case of fornication and someone said, I repent, but kept right on living in it, would you think they were going to heaven? I don't think so, and I bet you don't either, but when it comes to adultery, depending on who is doing the exegesis someone gets a free pass. What no one except Tim Moran has been able to do, for lack of skill is to do a grammatical and an historical criticism of these passages thoroughly to see exactly what the Greek was saying, not a word study, that is not enough, the tenses, the finite minutia of Greek, and a real thorough histocial study to determine exactly what the author's intended the texts to mean. That stuff is not able to be seen by looking up every word in Greek, more is involved. For instance did you know that the word porneia can refer to a number of things according to, not how we see the word listed in the Strong's but according to how the word was used in the first century? The word inicates immorality many kinds; a woman being seen with another man in public, a man improperly touching a woman - on her face - her arm with a caress, as fornication by penetration, as adultery by penetration, as temple worship idol sex between homosexuals or lesbians or bewtween heterosexuals, as masturbation, as sexual fondeling another, need I go on? When we look at the grammar for Mark and see that it says whoever divorces his wife makes her an adulteress, we also can see that it makes him an aduterer, without qualification of cause. When we look at the grammar in Mathew we discover that the verse in question is clausal; whoever divorces his wife except for immorality, is the first clause; and marries another woman commits adultery is a second clause - the exegetical commentators say that the first clause states clearly the ability to get a divorce for immorality, but that the second clause depends on the first clause in a cause for getting a divorce by says absolutely nothing about the right to remarry. In I Corinthians 7:15 we have a big problem with the modern translation of a Greek transiliteration into English. Every one takes this verse to mean if the unbeliever leaves then you are free to remarry. The text says no such thing, it says that if they leave and are an unbeliever then the believer is not bound to reamain married, no where in the that text does it say you are free to get remarried, but people read that into it even though the English grammar, the Greek grammar does not support that. In fact Paul comments on the state of marriage and on what grounds one can remarry at the end of the passage in verse 39 saying a wife is bound to her husband as long as she lives, what it does not say is, but if one of them commits adultery you are free to remarry, you are certainly free to divorce in such a case, but not to remarry... There is no way to get that out of it without reading it into the text. Going to get those books that brother Tim Moran suggested in a post back there somewhere... God's Day To You, Tamara |
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4 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205357 | ||
Tamara- I have some conflict with some things you are saying and would like to bring it to your attention for clarification and/or discussion. You wrote: "I said it before, I will say it again; if this were a case of fornication and someone said, I repent, but kept right on living in it, would you think they were going to heaven? I don't think so, and I bet you don't either, but when it comes to adultery, depending on who is doing the exegesis someone gets a free pass." This is a very problematic statement in light of what Scripture teaches about the sinful state of mankind and the gracious gift of salvation. While keeping oneself free from a particular sin (if possible at all) can do nothing to save us, there is nothing in Scripture that teaches that a Christian participating in sin (even willfully) forfeits his/her salvation. As for your "free pass" comment, you do have that right sister. Free to us, but at great cost. While we are not free to judge another's salvation, we can safely assume that a person who continues in a willful lifestyle of gross sin against God may not be saved at all, we can't rewrite the Scriptures to say what they don't say. When God saves us, each of us, we are utterly sinful. There is no good in us. Eph 2:5 Paul wrote: "1 Corinthians 7:24 (NKJV) 24 Brethren, let each one remain with God in that state in which he was called." Since divorce was legal for the Jews of the day according to Moses it's a fair assumption that many new converts were divorced and remarried. Yet we find nowhere in Scripture where these were told to divorce their current spouse because their situation is one of continuing fornication or adultry. So when we might be compelled to point the finger at others for "reading into" scripture, we might do well to evaluate our own position. You wrote: "In I Corinthians 7:15 we have a big problem with the modern translation of a Greek transiliteration into English. Every one takes this verse to mean if the unbeliever leaves then you are free to remarry. The text says no such thing, it says that if they leave and are an unbeliever then the believer is not bound to reamain married, no where in the that text does it say you are free to get remarried, but people read that into it even though the English grammar, the Greek grammar does not support that." "Every one takes this vers to mean..." Really? And you, perhaps, have some special insight and every one else is wrong? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or nit-pic your post. I simply disagree. I believe my last quote of yours speaks to the problem of trying to analyze the foreign language (of which you are no expert, right?) while throwing out the context of Scripture as a whole. Marriage is an institution of God; Gen 2:18, Matt 19:5-6, Mark 10:7-8. Christians are "bound" by the parameters. In the case where an unbelieving spouse leaves, and the believer is declared by Scripture to no longer be bound by the laws of marriage, by what Scriptural argument do you say they are not free to remarry? You have talked about today verses biblical times and how our understanding needs to consider this. I agree. What would be left to a woman in those times if her unbelieving husband were to walk out on her? I believe when we take this in context, we see the real reason she is considered "free" of the "bonds" of the marriage. One thing we all do well to consider is this. We must approach the Scriptures with a degree of rational thought and common sense. Otherwise, we might end up with a misinterpretation of the words on paper and then try to hold others to the standard of our misunderstanding. I'm sorry, but it seems like your on a crusade here. Forgive me if I'm misreading you. God bless, Jeff |
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5 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | Tamara Brewington | 205362 | ||
Dear Jeff, No my dear not on a crusade here at all, myabe I should just stop answering everyone who decides to post me with what I really am considering about the texts in mind here... No slight to anyone intended. If I have offended you let me know please... My aim is ever to divide the passages, not to point fingers at people, that is not what we are here for. If the grammar, or historical evidence does not support one's interpretation, why is addressing the grammar and history seen as pointing fingers? I am not here for that. Where in the text in I Cor. 7 does it say you are anything more than unbound, as in divorced? Where does it say you are free to remarry? Show me please, how the grammar allows for "when we take this in context"... Please show me how I have taken the group of verses that speak about being divorced, and about being unbound, and about Jesus speaking of God's original intention that the two are one flesh, and about God hating divorce, and about they are married until one of them is dead - and then show me how the counsel of scripture is saying on the whole that one is free to remarry? I agree with that folks who came to the Lord having gotten into an adulteress situation and how we can't expect them to separate... Now that there saved they are forgiven and should not be expected to separate. My questions were all centered around those that have been saved and then choose to remarry, entering into adultery because they feel that since somone wronged them they can move on, stay in the new relationship, ask for forgiveness about it and expect to find themselves in heaven. I can see we do not agree about this part of the issue, would you like me to stop? I will... Or would you like to examine the scriptures some more? Which is all I have been doing about this issue since answering posts, not disagreeing with folks, examining scriptures like we are suppossed to be doing... But if I have all knowledge but have not love, I am as a clanging cymbol... You said; "Every one takes this verse to mean..." Really? And you, perhaps, have some special insight and every one else is wrong? Please, I don't claim special insight, perhaps I should not have said everyone, and that might have been better? I am talking about the grammar there, please. Where does it say that being unbound, or loosed means you are free to remarry? Would you like to base your answer on Mathew 19? That is where some people would like to stand; that it means if one sins against you you can remarry... You said; Free to us, but at great cost. While we are not free to judge another's salvation, we can safely assume that a person who continues in a willful lifestyle of gross sin against God may not be saved at all, we can't rewrite the Scriptures to say what they don't say. I am not trying to rewirte scripture - I agree with you here about everything you are saying... We don't judge another's salvation - I keep trying to see how one can continue in sin and still be saved. This is something you have hit on here yourself. Please consider that I see the same thing, if a person is doing this they may not be saved. The counsel of scripture in the New Testament does absolutely teach that there is no sin that cannot be forgiven except one, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. It also teaches that if you continue willfully in sin and just never turn around and stop, you may not be saved at all; I,II,III John, Hebrews 6, Mathew 7:21-23. There is wheat and there is chaff; it is not up to me to say who is and is not, I never claim to do so. I am here to try to divide these scripture please. Let me know if you need me to stop, and I will consider not answering anyone's elses concerns either... Have Blessed Sunday, Tamara |
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6 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | stjohn | 205367 | ||
Dear Tamara: When someone observes something about you, it is the way they see you. When you come back and refute every detail of their observations it usually doesn't change their view, at least for me, it sometimes only strengthens it. You do yourself no service be doing this. IMHO it only makes you look like you are not taking to heart advice given with good intentions, and makes you look like you have no regard for others opinions. We all read the same Scriptures. You have come to some conclusions that many in there heart, do not agree with. We have hashed this over, and over, and over, and etc, and etc-!! If you believe in your heart that something is a sin, then it indeed, (for you) it is a sin. You have NO right to judge ENYONE if they in their heart do not believe it is a sin. And I am NOT talking about obvious sins, murder steeling etc. You said if someone asked you to stop, you will stop. ok STOP. God bless John |
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7 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jamison | 205375 | ||
Hello John, I have seen you put IMHO in a number of posts. What does this stand for? jamison |
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8 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | stjohn | 205376 | ||
Hello Jamison: I M H O in my humble opinion Is that a 10-4 ? :-) John |
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9 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jamison | 205378 | ||
That's a big fat 10-4!!! jamison |
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