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1 | your statement | 1 Cor 12:30 | strangerhere | 28972 | ||
No, you would not be going against His will if you were trying to draw nigh unto Him and rest in Him as Heb 3-4 speaks of. If you were trying to be like the majician in The Acts, then, of course, you would be in sin, because your focus is off of Christ and on the gift. However, this does not rule out the fact that there will be signs that follow those who believe and are filled (last chapter of Mark). Press on, don't be afraid of what God would have for you to accomplish His work. Rob |
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2 | your statement | 1 Cor 12:30 | Reformer Joe | 29000 | ||
The last few verses of Mark have come up a couple of times in this discussion, and I would like to park there for a moment to look at them: 'And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."' --Mark 16:15-18 I would like to know why many people interpret this to mean that everyone who is a believer should speak in tongues and should ask for it. I often hear of people telling others to trust the Holy Spirit and open your maouth and start uttering. However, I rarely hear anyone telling others to trust God as they pick up the rattlesnake or to believe on God as they drink the bleach. It seems pretty inconsistent to me that one claims to trust God for tongues but doesn't have enough faith to juggle cobras or chug the arsenic. If we are to truly operate in the gifts, we shouldn't be limiting ourself merely to tongues. Speaking of tongues, this post is indeed tongue-in-cheek, so I assume no responsibility for those who actually destroy their stomach lining by following this counsel. You see, these verses in Mark do not appear in the earliest manuscripts we have available, so they are quite possibly a later addition to the divinely-inspired text. --Joe! |
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3 | your statement | 1 Cor 12:30 | strangerhere | 29016 | ||
Hi Joe, I don't believe that I said that this means that someone that is "filled" will have to speak in tongues. It does say, though, that signs will accompany those that believe. Certainly, the first sign is a holy life. I know someone that is a "snake handler", yet she is bound in a sin!! They cite this verse as well. I'm with you. We need to read what it says, along with the rest of scripture. The gifts were never meant for what these use it for. God is interested in holiness. Once this base is secure, then the rest can be used properly. To the scripture in Mark, "He who has believed and has been baptized..." Belief is first. What is belief?? "Faith without works (obedience) is dead", "If you love me, obey my commands." In addition to and support of this, lets go to 1 Cor 13. In Chapter 12, Paul establishes the gifts, in 14 he further specifies how we need to act, regulate the gifts for order. Most people feel that chapter 13 is a beautiful distraction in Paul's train of thought, when he teaches us about love. I disagree. It has everything to do with the gifts of the Spirit vs the workings of another spirit. To read chapter 13, I always remind myself that "God is love", then read, "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not God, I become..." and so on. It reminds me that its all God, I'm dead and gone with respect to the gifts. When I come into play and use my will (like playing with snakes for show, which I don't do) to show everyone that I'm filled, well, one already knows that God is gone, and its flesh doing the work. Rom 6:15-18 "... (16)Know ye not that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servant's ye are... (18) being made free from sin ye became servants of righteousness..." By-the-way, I don't buy the "earlier text" thing! The last chapter of Mark fits beautifully with the intention of Christ and the reason He came... Heb 10, esp vs 9 and 10, though the whole chapter needs to be followed to "get it". Jesus came "to do away with the first to establish the second". What was the second?, "To do thy will, oh God". How do we go about that?? Impossible in the flesh, but in His Spirit: NECESSARY. On a human level, because in the Spirit there is no dissimulation, no shadow of turning. Philippians and Ephesians all very clearly show that we can have no effectiveness against sin, let alone work for the kingdom, unless we "Walk in the Spirit" . This is why it was "...expedient that I (Jesus) go". John recounts in John 14-16 that a new relationship, a new contract, a new covenant was about to be brought into play. John 16:5-15, "But now I go my way to him that sent me... Nevertheless I tell you that it is expedient for you that I go away for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you..." We all know that this speaks of the Holy Spirit. But the reason He was coming was to convict of sin, righteousness, and judgment, that is to establish Holiness, and I would contend, to "Believe". Ahhhhh, too much (was that personal tongues)! I have to go. I hope that the reader can piece it together. Rob |
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4 | your statement | 1 Cor 12:30 | Reformer Joe | 29259 | ||
Rob: You write: 'I don't believe that I said that this means that someone that is "filled" will have to speak in tongues. It does say, though, that signs will accompany those that believe.' Well, that is a clearly biblical statement, but it is not the statement that has been made in this thread. I tend to lean against the Mark passage being original simply because I find it to be NOT to be in harmony with the rest of the text. We see absolutely no other mentions of drinking poison and handling poisonous snakes without getting killed by their bites. While it is certainly within the abilities of an omnipotent God to accomplish such tasks, we see no record of this actually happening in Scripture. Furthermore, what we do see among the saints in the early church is that they are far from being impervious to harm. People are quick to cite this verses to support that true Christians are somehow impervious to the physical troubles in this world (if they only have enough faith), but from Acts 7 on we see that, yes, God's people are indeed going to die for the sake of Christ, all according to what Christ said and God's decree (Philippians 1:29, 2 Timothy 3:14, John 15:18-21). Of course, I may be wrong here, but I do not see the text really fitting with the style or the narrative in Mark's gospel. It seems like it is a "tack-on" by a later writer stylistically and contextually. --Joe! |
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