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1 | Do holy people have to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 12:30 | ezekiel | 28930 | ||
This is a continuation of my last post in order to answer all your questions Searcher. Question 2. You said, "We should always expect speaking in tongues when someone receives the Holy Spirit." Please support this Scriptually. Did the 3,000, those later, the eunuch (Acts 2:41,47; 4:31; 8:36) speak in tongues? There are other examples in Acts. Answer 2. Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? Act 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: (acts 9:17 doesn't say paul spoke in tongues when he recieved the Holy Ghost. But in 1co 14:18 he states I speak with tongue more than ye all: Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. Act 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, ( Now when the Samaritians recievced the Holy Ghost it doesn't come right out and say they spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave the utterance, but it is very strongly implied by the fact that something very noticable took place because Simon wanted to purchase this ability to layon hands to give the Holy Ghost). Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Joh 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: Joh 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. You asked if their have been tongues and interpatation with in my congregation absolutely and never by more than two or three and always with interpatation of the message. all within the guidelines of what Paul is talking about in Corinthians. |
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2 | Do holy people have to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 12:30 | Reformer Joe | 28935 | ||
And all of this still does not adequately address Paul's clear teaching on the distribution of different gifts to different believers: "All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? All do not have gifts of healings, do they? ALL DO NOT SPEAK WITH TONGUES, DO THEY? All do not interpret, do they?" --1 Corinthians 12:29-30 All do not speak in tongues. God gave that gift to some in the first-century church. He apparently did not give it to others. Same with the other gifts mentioned (see back in 12:28 that this is the way God APPOINTED it to be). There is no getting around this clearly-worded passage on spiritual gifts without dismantling Paul's whole argument. The over-emphasis on tongues by most in the charismatic/Pentecostal movements is an insult to those whom God has used in a mighty way to preserve His church who never spoke in a tongue (Augustine, Luther, Calvin, Edwards, etc.). But I suppose that you, Ezekiel, know something that these men of God apparently missed, something that made them ineffective and not led truly led by the Spirit of God. Which brings me back to one of my favorite things to say on this forum: get thee to a church history book, and see how God has REALLY been working between A.D. 100 and A.D. 1905. --Joe! |
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3 | Do holy people have to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 12:30 | EdB | 28962 | ||
Reformer Joe I’m responding to this paragraph not to cause conflict or start an argument but just to provide food for thought. “The over-emphasis on tongues by most in the Charismatic/Pentecostal movements is an insult to those whom God has used in a mighty way to preserve His church who never spoke in a tongue (Augustine, Luther, Calvin, Edwards, etc.). But I suppose that you, Ezekiel, know something that these men of God apparently missed, something that made them ineffective and not led truly led by the Spirit of God.” Joe I agree the over emphasis of manifestations by Pentecostals can be a bad thing, especially when seeking manifestations becomes more important than seeking God. But to say it is an insult to these men I think may be talking a little presumptuously. Do you know if any of these men taught against talking/praying in tongues? To the best of my knowledge none did. I think Luther and Edwards cautioned on excesses in dealing with these areas but I don’t recall either speaking directly against them. Did any of these men talk/prayed in tongues? To the best of my knowledge Augustine may have, the proof is inconclusive, as for the others we don’t know. I know of many men/pastors from non Pentecostal religions that talk and pray in tongues regularly. I personally know and have prayed with a Methodist and a Lutheran pastor both of which spoke in tongues. They saw it as gift from God to edify them and they used it as such. In another thread I have related a story on speaking in tongues that happened to a Nazarene Pastor. I have a close friend who is a tongue talking Episcopalian pastor also I have shared in other threads my friendship that I have with a Greek Orthodox priest that talks and prays in tongues, so the truth is we don’t know who has and moves in the gifts and who doesn’t. Again I submit this as food for thought. EdB |
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4 | Do holy people have to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 12:30 | Reformer Joe | 28985 | ||
Can you explain to me how people who don't even have the gospel right are praying in tongues? Mormons claim to pray in tongues. Do they have the gift? How do we know that the others do as well? How do you know that what they do is not just a self-assured, self-induced, meaningless babbling? I say this not to start a fight, but to raise a very legitimate question. How do we know that it is real? Until the 20th century, by the way, the gift of tongues was predominantly understood to mean the speaking of unknown languages without having learned them. Therefore, Luther and Calvin addressed them as such. The part that is insulting is insisting, as Ezekiel does, is that tongues is THE sign of the Spirit's working. Therefore, I who do not speak in tongues am not really used by the Spirit of God, and everyone in church history prior to the 1905 Asuza "revival" didn't, either. A good study of the modern Pentecostal movement in light of 2000 years of church history will put all of this into great perspective. God has and does work mightily in the lives of men and through his children apart from the manifestation of sensational gifts. --Joe! |
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5 | Do holy people have to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 12:30 | EdB | 28989 | ||
Joe You raised some good points and obviously in many cases tongues are counterfeited. Some of the meanest nastiest people I have ever met have been tongue talking Pentecostals. However I do not believe the proves the all tongues are counterfeit. It just proves that in many cases it is. I think any one that says you must talk in tongues to have the Holy Spirit working in your life is mislead. I do not believe that people that talk in tongues have more the Holy Spirit or have more “anointing”, I feel they have learned to yield their will to the Holy Spirit. I think that this is essential to be used in the sign gifts. The others gifts like discernment and wisdom I believe every believer moves in or at least should. Actually tongues have surfaced and submerged many times in church history. I think the thing that many miss about Asuza revival is the renewed focus on holiness and tarrying at the altar. I believe more people were seeking God than seeking manifestations and God meet them. I think later the manifestations became the focus and I believe that is where the problems began. Joe you have no argument from me there are many abuses of the sign gifts and when people let them become more important than God or carry more authority than the scripture there is a problem. That said I can see no reason to condemn the sign gifts if done properly and in order, not to magnify the user but to magnify God and Christ. EdB |
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6 | Do holy people have to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 12:30 | Searcher56 | 28995 | ||
EdB. At the Asuza revival when they spoke im tongues ... was it one person at a time? was it in a known language to some and not others? was it interpeted? ... I base this on 1 Cor 14. I even know a case when a man spoke and then another interpeted. After the interpetation, the man got up and said the interpeter was wrong. Another member of the church got up and supported the man and said he had quoted John 3:16 in Greek. I say this because Satan has even entered the church. S |
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7 | Do holy people have to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 12:30 | EdB | 29008 | ||
Steve I will not try to defend Asuza street, while many authentic cases of tongues and manifestations happened there was also much abuse. In fact toward the end many declared it a hoax by many who should be trusted to know. However I do believe in the early days of the revival there are many men and women were seeking more of God and many wondrous manifestations did happen. In one case a secular newspaper reporter who was covering the revival heard the testimony of Jesus Christ in his obscure native tongue given by a person that never spoke that language. As far as native languages go since there are over thousands in the world. Some nothing more than a series of clicks and tongue snaps to complicated dialects in Chinese, how do we know if the language a person is giving a message in is a native tongue or not? Jack Hayford relates a story when the Holy Spirit told him to speak to a man sitting in the chair next to him in a plane. Of course Jack was reluctant but after further prodding by the Holy Spirit he told the man I don’t know if you will understand this but the Holy Spirit told me to say this. At which point he began much to his amazement he had been speak a Native American dialect and the man understood it also. You will now say see you have proved my point in both cases it was a known tongue. I agree many times people stand up give a message and it is interpreted as “The grass is green and the sky is blue and God loves you”. To me that was not authentic tongues nor interpretations. Someone got excited and started speaking in their pray language and then someone else gave a generic interpretation. However I do believe we pray privately in tongues in languages no one knows. EdB |
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