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1 | your statement | 1 Cor 12:30 | Reformer Joe | 29000 | ||
The last few verses of Mark have come up a couple of times in this discussion, and I would like to park there for a moment to look at them: 'And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."' --Mark 16:15-18 I would like to know why many people interpret this to mean that everyone who is a believer should speak in tongues and should ask for it. I often hear of people telling others to trust the Holy Spirit and open your maouth and start uttering. However, I rarely hear anyone telling others to trust God as they pick up the rattlesnake or to believe on God as they drink the bleach. It seems pretty inconsistent to me that one claims to trust God for tongues but doesn't have enough faith to juggle cobras or chug the arsenic. If we are to truly operate in the gifts, we shouldn't be limiting ourself merely to tongues. Speaking of tongues, this post is indeed tongue-in-cheek, so I assume no responsibility for those who actually destroy their stomach lining by following this counsel. You see, these verses in Mark do not appear in the earliest manuscripts we have available, so they are quite possibly a later addition to the divinely-inspired text. --Joe! |
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2 | your statement | 1 Cor 12:30 | algumwood | 29373 | ||
joe, i offer that scripture, in order to be beneficial, must be read in context, and in conjunction with the whole Word. it is a mark of immaturity to make a statement such as, "However, I rarely hear anyone telling others to trust God as they pick up the rattlesnake or to believe on God as they drink the bleach. It seems pretty inconsistent to me that one claims to trust God for tongues but doesn't have enough faith to juggle cobras or chug the arsenic." we know we are not to put God to the test, so yes, it would be unwise to intentionally enter into harm's way simply because we are filled by God Spirit. however, testing God by intentionally entering harm's way is hardly the same as desiring/asking for the gift of tongues (this is supported scripturally, as well as by common sense.) i have seen some pretty belittleing comments and generalizations in your posts on this topic - remember that "we are to submit ourselves to one another, as to Christ" and also the fruit of the Spirit includes gentleness. i doubt Christ ever used sarcasm as a means of leading/teaching others. |
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3 | your statement | 1 Cor 12:30 | Reformer Joe | 29381 | ||
I am sorry that you find my remarks to be immature. I didn't realize that you viewed asking for all the gifts referred to in the questionable last few verses of Mark to be putting God to the test. If the description provided in these verses applies to all believers, then I do not see how drinking poison could even be considered to be putting oneself in harm's way at all, but a sign of one's faith. The fact is that people take one phrase out of this passage and make a generalization that it applies to all believers, but leaves all of the other phrases connected to it alone. To me, that is very telling. And whether asking SPECIFICALLY for the gift of tongues is indeed supported by Scripture is the very theme of this thread. Perhaps you could shed some light on how God promises to grant every believer the gift of tongues when Paul emphatically stresses that the very opposite is God's sovereign plan in 1 Corinthians 12:27-30. I have cited that passage about a dozen times, and no one who says that tongues is for everyone has touched it with a ten-foot pole. Not all speak in a tongue, DO THEY? No, because God gave different gifts to different people. Bottom line. And I apologize if you find my remarks belittling. Harsh rebuke and strong language, however, is not something that Jesus refrained from (check out his conversations with the Pharisees and his suggestion that those who have body parts that cause you to sin should be cut out). Paul's epistles to the Corinthians, his comments to the Galatians that the Judaizers should go ahead and emasculate themselves completely, and James calling his addressees "adulteresses" all demonstrate that the Holy Spirit does indeed inspire strong and forceful language that some might even call sarcasm. What you are promoting here is false teaching regarding the operation of the Holy Spirit, and I certainly am not going to coddle you while you continue to do so. Apologizing in advance, --Joe! |
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