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1 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 212049 | ||
Hi humbledbyhisgrace: The possibility exists that we could be at opposit ends of this issue. You have asked 2 questions for clarification of my position. These 2 questions, are not biblically based, are they? What I mean is, you don't have any definitive verse of scripture that does say these ministries will end upon the death of the Apostles do you? 1) Do you believe this passage is saying that there is a need for more/new apostles and prophets in the church other then what we know of in Scripture? answer "YES" On the grounds of what This Scripture Does Say,. (" The 5 fold ministry, for the edification of the church, should not cease to exist, until the return of Christ"). 2) (i.e. there are apostles and prophets in the Church today)? answer This one is a little bit harder to answer. To start with, I asked a question that no one has answered yet, so I will attempt to do so myself. "This belief called "The Apostolic Age" which has been put forth, as the reason for the ending of the Gifts of the Spirit". "Just where did the teaching called "The Apostolic Age" originate?" My answer is the origin of this doctrine, comes directly from the Catholic Church, which in turn raises another question. Why would we as Protestant Religions follow what the Catholic Church says, when we do not follow anything else they say? We are called PROTEST - ANT meaning we protest against the Catholic Church, and it's teachings. OK, now to the answer to your second question. Because of this doctrine that has been incorperated into Protestantism, and the fragmentation of the Protestant religions today, "No" I don't know of anybody that is ,or could be called, an Apostle, or Prophet. But that does not mean that God does not have these people waiting in the wings, waiting for His Church to open there eyes to these ministries, and the importance of them to the Body of Christ, another question arises, Where is the body of Christ, which religion constitutes this body. Because verse 13 of Eph. 4 makes it perfectly clear. 13) (Till we all come in the unity of the faith), (and of the knowledge of the Son of God), (unto a perfect man), (unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ): When this fragmentation of the Body of Christ ends, and we do come together IN the UNITY of the FAITH. Then, and only then, will we be heading in the right direction, which is directly into the loving arms of Jesus Christ. Now I ask of you to please, declare your position. In the Love of Jesus Nevvvvine |
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2 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | CDBJ | 212052 | ||
Greetings, “Assuming” that your assumption is true with regard to the continuation of just even the first part of Eph 4:11, i.e. the apostles; what is the prerequisite to be an apostle and could there be a person alive to fulfill it? Acts 1:20-22 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. 21Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. Verse 22 puts a halt to the possibility. “a witness with us of his resurrection” Even if there were apostles, they couldn’t improve on God’s "completed Cannon of Scripture" or don’t you believe that God’s perfect written Word is totally sufficient coupled with the working of God the Holy Spirit? CDBJ |
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3 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 212074 | ||
Hi CDBJ: You have made the statement. "what is the prerequisite to be an apostle and could there be a person alive to fulfill it?" Then you go on, to use this verse, as the prerequisit! Acts 1:20-22 Verse 22 puts a halt to the possibility. “a witness with us of his resurrection” A question for you. Was Paul, an Apostle (Acts 14:14) Or Barnabas (Acts 14:14; Or Silas which is Silvanus (1 Thess. 1:1, 2:6) Or Timothy (1 Thess. 1:1, 2:6) Or Apollos (1 Cor.4:6 and 9) Or Titus (2 Cor.23) Or Andronicus (Rom.16:7) Or Junia (Rom.16:7) Or James (Gal.1:19) Or Epaphroditus (Phil. 2:25, ? Did all of these men listed, also know the Lord, following Him in His ministry, from the beginning, being “a witness with us of his resurrection” as you have stated, fulfilling the Prerequisit to be an Apostle? As you believe, was the evident Qualfication for one to become an Apostle? Did all of these men, die off within the 1 Century of the Church? You close by saying. 1) Even if there were apostles, they couldn’t improve on God’s "completed Cannon of Scripture" 2) or don’t you believe that God’s perfect written Word is totally sufficient coupled with the working of God the Holy Spirit? My answer 1) Who has put forth the belief, that just because there would be Apostles in in the church today, that there would automatically be a changing of, or additions made to "The Completed Cannon of Scripture? That belief goes far beyond anything anyone has stated, it also goes beyond anything that Scripture teaches on the subject of Apostles in the Church. It seems as though you are mixing the Ministeries of the Apostle, and Prophet together. Thereby claming, anything that person may say, or write would become a "New Cannon" to the Church. 2) Look at (1 Cor.14) Then tell me "WHO" is the "Apostle" talking to. (The Church, or other Apostles?) If he is talking to the believers in the Corinthian Church ie, "to Us" then that Ministry should still be in the Church, for the Edification of the Church. Please define for us "Prophesy" in respect to the use of the word in 1 Cor. 14 showing where the "Prophesy" would change, or should be added to the "Cannon of Scripture". Why are only the first 2 of the 5 fold ministry ended? Are not all of the 5 needed for the Edification of the Church? If your reasioning is correct, then all five must end at the same time, otherwise " Apostles, and Prophets", become a catigory unto themselve, and not being a part of the 5 as believed. ie, "The Apostolic Age" Is the church also to go through "The Evagilistic Age"? Then "The "Pastor Age"? Lastly "The Teacher Age"? You say were in "The Church Age" just what does that signify, where we are in Church History? God Bless Nevvvvine |
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