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1 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Morant61 | 211120 | ||
Greetings John! It should never be difficult to provide Scripture to back up one's doctrine! :-( I can't do an exhaustive review of each link, but allow me to touch upon some of the more serious problems. 1) http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg1856.htm a) MacArthur says, "There are four temporary sign gifts listed in 1 Corinthians 12:10: miracles, healings, languages, and the interpretation of languages." Scripture never once calls these gifts temporary. One could perhaps argue that since 1 Cor. 13:8 says that tongues will one day cease, it is temporary. However, the adjective temporary is never used of any gift, and healings and miracles are never once even said to end. b) MacArthur argues that the purpose of sign gifts is to confirm God's revelation. Scripture never says that this is the only purpose of these gifts, nor does Scripture ever call them sign gifts, but let's assume that this is the only purpose for a moment. It does not logically follow that these gifts necessarily (I use this word in the philosophical sense) must cease, and certainly Scripture never once actually says this. This is an assumption, not a fact. c) MacArthur lists a handful of Scripture, but not one of them says that these gifts will cease at the end of the apostolic age. Another assumption! 2) http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/articles/cessgifts.html a) This article was hilarious! The author states that those who believe in modern gifts of the Spirit have to have a Scripture that specifically states that they are actually gifts of the Spirit in order to be Biblical. But, he can claim that they are not without any such verse. :-) b) He also claims that 1 Corinthians proves that the early church was more inclined toward the gifts than against them. 1 Corinthians only speaks about the conditions at Corinth, not everywhere. c) His only evidence that spiritual gifts have ceased is the gaps in history. He argues that the gaps prove that the gifts ceased. This is a logical fallacy. The historical record only proves that there have been times in history when there appear to be no spiritual gifts in action. The gaps prove nothing about God's intentions or the future. 3) http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/1856 This is the same article as link 1! I would have an open mind my friend if any of these sites would actually produce Scripture to back up what they are saying. I will offer you a challenge, ask me about any doctrine that I hold, and see if I can't provide Scripture that actually says what I believe. If anyone holds to a doctrine that cannot be supported by Scripture, than that person needs to re-evalute their thinking on that doctrine. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 211134 | ||
Tim and all - So far I have only read the article at http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/articles/cessgifts.html and have to agree with you Tim. I stopped taking notes at three pages (but read the entire article) and easily discerned that the article is of no value regarding my search for the truth. I believe by “hilarious” you were referring to the hostile tone, the obviously biased view point and the total lack of academic discipline. A 101 course in philosophical argument would do Mr. Edgar some good. The article just doesn’t hold up to scrutiny so offers no assistance in my search to better understand this topic. I believe part of Mr. Edgar’s inability to present a well considered argument is that he seems to have focused on the Word of Faith teachers as the opposition. We know they are wrong; they add to, take from, misrepresent and otherwise mistreat the Scriptures. I’m in need of insight regarding the biblical truth of Spiritual gifts as they applied then and now (if there is a difference or not and if so, to what degree). I will read the others offered and give honest feedback as well. We should all remember that when we read the writings of uninspired men we should try to do so with an open mind, I think we would all agree with that. We should remember that an open mind includes an understanding of our own biases. Otherwise, if we're reading what goes along with what we already think to be true we may miss something. |
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