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1 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 211113 | ||
I don't really have that problem, but the format here does present a problem because you keep insisting that there needs to be a single passage or even perhaps just a few, but that's not the case. However if you are willing to learn, may I suggest these links, that the Doc has posted. But it will take a commitment to do some study with an open mind. :-) http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg1856.htm http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/articles/cessgifts.html http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/1856 also www.monergism.com, and enter "spiritual gifts" in the search box. There is buy no means a shortage of Scripture Tim as you will see if you willing to visit these links. I have reservations that any of it will fall on ears willing to listen as you seem to be pretty firmly entrenched, but it's worth a try I guess. God bless John p.s. I think His kid has a question for you up top. |
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2 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Morant61 | 211120 | ||
Greetings John! It should never be difficult to provide Scripture to back up one's doctrine! :-( I can't do an exhaustive review of each link, but allow me to touch upon some of the more serious problems. 1) http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg1856.htm a) MacArthur says, "There are four temporary sign gifts listed in 1 Corinthians 12:10: miracles, healings, languages, and the interpretation of languages." Scripture never once calls these gifts temporary. One could perhaps argue that since 1 Cor. 13:8 says that tongues will one day cease, it is temporary. However, the adjective temporary is never used of any gift, and healings and miracles are never once even said to end. b) MacArthur argues that the purpose of sign gifts is to confirm God's revelation. Scripture never says that this is the only purpose of these gifts, nor does Scripture ever call them sign gifts, but let's assume that this is the only purpose for a moment. It does not logically follow that these gifts necessarily (I use this word in the philosophical sense) must cease, and certainly Scripture never once actually says this. This is an assumption, not a fact. c) MacArthur lists a handful of Scripture, but not one of them says that these gifts will cease at the end of the apostolic age. Another assumption! 2) http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/articles/cessgifts.html a) This article was hilarious! The author states that those who believe in modern gifts of the Spirit have to have a Scripture that specifically states that they are actually gifts of the Spirit in order to be Biblical. But, he can claim that they are not without any such verse. :-) b) He also claims that 1 Corinthians proves that the early church was more inclined toward the gifts than against them. 1 Corinthians only speaks about the conditions at Corinth, not everywhere. c) His only evidence that spiritual gifts have ceased is the gaps in history. He argues that the gaps prove that the gifts ceased. This is a logical fallacy. The historical record only proves that there have been times in history when there appear to be no spiritual gifts in action. The gaps prove nothing about God's intentions or the future. 3) http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/1856 This is the same article as link 1! I would have an open mind my friend if any of these sites would actually produce Scripture to back up what they are saying. I will offer you a challenge, ask me about any doctrine that I hold, and see if I can't provide Scripture that actually says what I believe. If anyone holds to a doctrine that cannot be supported by Scripture, than that person needs to re-evalute their thinking on that doctrine. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 211130 | ||
"But it will take a commitment to do some study with an open mind." "with an open mind" As Mark Twain said, "I'm not repeating myself, I'm quoting myself." :-) No one is trowing the baby out with the bath-water or denying that God gifts His Children today, or that He does not still move in miraculous ways. And there is NO shortage of Scripture on this subject as you have seen at the links you visited, but one has to know and be willing to apply them, instead of just looking for something to argue about or make fun of. I certainly don't see anything "hilarious" about any of this. Your claim that there is no Scripture to back this up is quite unwarranted; perhaps some are just unwilling to apply it? Tim, I would take you up on your challenge, but I already know plenty about this doctrine espoused by some, and learned it from those who are quite qualified to express it. But thanks anyway Tim. Again, no one is saying that God does not move in giving gifts, or moving in miraculous ways today, we here all seem to agree on that, so please, stop injecting that into your argument or accusing others of saying that. :-( God bless John |
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