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1 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Morant61 | 211121 | ||
Greetings John! My 'majority' comment was in reference to your statement about discovering that the majority of orthodox churches did not believe in spiritual gifts for today. My point was that no matter how many believe something, if it isn't in the Bible, it is not Biblical. In your hundred times reading 1 Cor. 12-14, did you ever come across a verse that says, "Spiritual gifts will cease at the end of the Apostolic age and the completion of the Canon!"? If not, why do you believe it to be Biblical doctrine? This is my concern! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 211133 | ||
Dear Tim, Is there a specific Scripture that says that God is a triune God? We all know there isn't, so I would say your contention that there is no specific Scripture to hold up against anti-cessationism is rather just an unwillingness to take all the evidence into consideration. Is History Subjective? IMHO sir, to say that cessationism is subjective is to say that History or even that God is three persons is subjective, because just as Scripture is full with the Fact that God is Three, the teaching on cessationism is rife with Scripture also, as can be seen at the sites cited if we are willing to see it and accept it for what it is. Unfortunately the space provided on this site does not do it justice, but I fear you're using that fact to foster and 'unfairly' build up your argument. :-( At this point, Tim, IMHO you are pushing doctrine. I think perhaps it may be time to put this one to bed, if you don't mind, sir. Once again: (boy am I getting tired of saying this) NO one is saying that, "Gifts of the Spirit" are no longer in effect today, at all. So please get off your hobby horse. God bless John |
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3 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 211143 | ||
Brother John- Actually YES... there is a significant amount of Scripture that says that God is a triune God. A huge amount actually, but, so as not to take this already long thread off topic I'll simply point you to the Search box of which you are aware. I don't believe brother Tim is pushing doctrine any more than you are so we do better not to start to sling that type of language at each other, especially long-time respected members. This isn't, or shouldn't be, about convincing one to change his/her belief.... it is actually real bible study. I, for one, have a true struggle with understanding the issue and am benefiting from the dialogue. Until now, I have believed on the word of men and never knew that Scripture does not declare the cessation of the gifts with the end of the apostolic age. I am both shocked and humbled by that fact and very interested in exploring the points with people from both views. I greatly fear false doctrine, but I also fear leaving out what God has intended not to be left out. As believers and brothers in Christ we should do this respectfully, to include opting out individually if we're not benefiting. God bless, Jeff |
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4 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | skccab | 211144 | ||
Dear Jeff, Well put together post, well done. I, for one, come from the opposite direction, being a part of the charismatic "movement," then somewhat moving away from it. I don't in any way though think that the gifts have ceased. I think, like someone else posted earlier, that the people's faith has faltered, and therefore the gifts fail to work. After all, wasn't it our Lord who said in Mat. 8:13 "...as you have believed, so be it done to you..."? Maybe our prayer should be "Lord, I believe; help You my unbelief" Mark 9:24 Cheri |
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5 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 211148 | ||
Cheri- thanks for the input. I'm not disagreeing with you in principle, but I'm not sure that faith is necessarily the catlyst for the gifts. That is to say that while I believe any gift should be worked IN faith, faith is not the producer of it. One of the articles Doc pointed to pointted this out. At pentacost those who spoke in tongues were certainly believing God in faith, however, they were not aware of the gift of tongues and/or expecting to be speaking in unknown languages until such time as God caused them to do so. So again, I'm not disagreeing, just pointing that out. I believe there are many Christian's(including participants here) that have as much, and possibly even more, faith as some of those may have had when practicing such gifts. I say possibly more because we are fortunate to have the end result of what many of the early believers were struggling through as a witness to further our faith. I also believe that since it is God who gives the measure of faith in the first place, He is able to produce that in us to the degree necessary to carry out His will, including the working of the gifts in the Church. Thanks for your insight as always sister. Jeff |
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6 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Val | 212060 | ||
Greetings Jeff, Since you mentioned Pentecost and I have studied Acts a few times I believe the gift of tongues was actually different languages the people who came from different cities, or regions spoke. There was a purpose behind it and that was so they could hear the message in their language. The speakers didn't know their language but were granted this gift so those who heard could hear the gospel and take it back to their regions. I have known of one missionary of modern times who said the same thing happened to her. She began speaking in the language of the people who were there and she didn't know the language. What was interesting was that it never happened to her again. So we thought that in this instance there was a need (for the people to hear the gospel) and God supplied the gift but it was temporary just for that particular event. As to the gift of healing, I have heard a respected bible teacher say that they believe that the person who is sick is given an impression from God that they will be healed. They in turn follow the scripture that says to call for the elders of the church to I believe it says lay hands on and pray for them to be healed. So God initiates this healing not man. Your sister in Christ - Val | ||||||
7 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 212078 | ||
Yes Val, you are correct. The tongues given on the day of Pentecost spoken of in Acts were the different languages spoken by the different folks visiting there. It says so clearly there in the text. Regarding your comments on healing I see, once again, the dangerous practice of allowing opinions to cloud the truth. Or, it’s a case of my misunderstanding you. The “respected bible teacher” may “believe that the person who is sick is given an impression from God that they will be healed”. Is that teaching found/supported in Scripture? Jeff |
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8 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Val | 212079 | ||
Greetings Jeff, its not a teaching. The teacher says this is their opinion and anyone may disagree with them. The passage studied is James. The chapter is Chapter Five. The verse is 14. What we know from experience is that not every person who follows these steps is healed. We know that because we have all or some of us followed these instructions and the person did go on and die a physical death. (And as a side we know some believe, me as well, that is a healing, going on to heaven) But some believe this is a physical healing here and now. So the question is why are some healed and some not. Then the teacher's personal explanation was given. (I don't take it to a wider meaning as to people's faith because I think that is just cruel to tell people they weren't healed because they didn't have enough faith.) The explanation made sense to me that the healing was initiated by God and the person who was sick followed the call to the elders and so on. Anyone may disagree. Just wanted to add that to the discussion. I thought it made good sense. Val |
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9 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 212087 | ||
Thanks for further insight Val regarding your position. The clarification did help since your prior post qualified the person as a "bible teacher" and that he/she "believes" what he/she was saying about God giving "impressions that they would be healed". These things taken together, for many of our readers, might easily be viewed as a teaching and not simply an opinion. It's why I peraonally have a hard time with these type of things being mentioned on the forum unless they are better qualified. For the respected bible teacher I would ask... What makes you believe such a thing? If there is nothing in Scripture to support it why even hold it as an opinion? I'm not splitting hairs here; there are significant implications. To begin with, Scripture tells us that God can and does heal physical health problems. It also tells us that He doesn't always do so, even when we pray faithfully. When we add to it that there is an impression given by God what does that even mean? Do the sick stay sick and wait for an impression? What is the impression and how do we know we're getting it? If we believe we got it and faithfully follow through wtih the passage in James and then are not healed what does that mean? Some might believe God played a cruel joke on them by giving them an impression and then not follow through with a healing. Anyway, I believe you get the point now. I know it's difficult to present things as properly as we might hope in this format. So we're required to be even more guarded that we don't misrepresent the truth of Scripture. God bless, Jeff |
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10 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Val | 212100 | ||
Greetings Jeff, you know what strikes me is that some of the comments made is as if one student is an authority over another. You say I am correct instead of just saying I agree with your view or I disagree with your view. To say yes you are correct somehow puts you in a postion of authority. Well to me that is a misrepresentation of the truth in Scripture. Because in the end its scripture that is truth not your or my saying this or that is correct. So since you didn't like my post lets just drop it. I thought at first you were wanting to delve into the topic but I see by your response that is not the case. You said there is nothing in scripture to hold such an opinion, I beg to differ. I gave you the scripture and the conclusions and the reasons why. Thats all any of us can do. The forum says that none of the postings are the opinions of the producers of the forum so if you are worried about what is being posted why are you here? Don't answer that. Its level ground at the foot of the cross. Let's move on. | ||||||