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1 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 211082 | ||
Jeff, the only thing I can say is that I was first involved as a new Christian in a Church that taught that all the gifts were still available, I had no other doctrine to go on, but something just wasn't right. Only after many, many months on my face in prayer and in His book in prayer did I come to the conclusions that I have come to. Please believe me friend, it tore me apart, because I so loved these people and still do, but It was NOT the teaching of man nor common sense but the Holy Spirit that led me to the truth. Once I'd come to this I eventually after a great deal of sadness and loneliness, happily found I was not at all alone but in the majority of orthodox Christians, many of whom have shown me through good old common sense we can still come to the same conclusions. But Jeff Scripture is indeed the bases of my conclusions, and though I cant point to a single verse and not only the entire counsel of 1 Cor where Paul is saying only not in so many words to the Corinthians to, shut up and grow up, where it comes to at least one of the gifts, but to the whole Bible. Jeff there are so many men of God that I so admire that have also come to these same conclusions that I would be wroth to even try to count them, men who have demonstrated to me that they are being led by the Holy Spirit. Take it for whatever you think its worth my friend I've nothing else to add. By the way Jeff Im as staunch a defender of sola Scriptura as just about anyone here on this forum and I think you know that, if you don't may I inform you it is indeed so. So I vehemently agree that we should indeed be holding onto truth shown to us through His Holy Word. God bless John |
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2 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Morant61 | 211112 | ||
greetings John! The problem with your position is that Scripture, not common sense, or experience, or even majority opinon is to be our sole source for faith and practice. Your brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 211113 | ||
I don't really have that problem, but the format here does present a problem because you keep insisting that there needs to be a single passage or even perhaps just a few, but that's not the case. However if you are willing to learn, may I suggest these links, that the Doc has posted. But it will take a commitment to do some study with an open mind. :-) http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg1856.htm http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/articles/cessgifts.html http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/1856 also www.monergism.com, and enter "spiritual gifts" in the search box. There is buy no means a shortage of Scripture Tim as you will see if you willing to visit these links. I have reservations that any of it will fall on ears willing to listen as you seem to be pretty firmly entrenched, but it's worth a try I guess. God bless John p.s. I think His kid has a question for you up top. |
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4 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 211119 | ||
Hi John:: Why would the teaching on the Gifts of the Spirit have been written to the Corinthians? Which would have multiplied the amount people that were able to avail themselves of these gifts, and in many cases much younger than the Apostles. Thereby putting the possible end of said gifts into the 2nd. century, and so on with the same teaching from Cor. until we are in todays time sitting on the forum debating wether the Gifts of the Spitit are for today, because there are no scriptures that speak explicidly to this question which is what type of scripture it would have to be, not some vague belief of what something MIGHT be saying. To Quote a venerable poster on this forum if I may. Quote from Doc. "If we aren't told, then all we can do is speculate." That seems to be exactly the thing that the Cessationism perspective is all about. I will take the time to read all of the links Doc has posted, and you have so graciously recomended to Tim, with a completely open mind, as I am sure you would do, were you in my position (:-) In His Love Nevvvvine |
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5 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | jlhetrick | 211156 | ||
Newwine- You wrote: "Which would have multiplied the amount people that were able to avail themselves of these gifts, and in many cases much younger than the Apostles. Thereby putting the possible end of said gifts into the 2nd. century, and so on with the same teaching from Cor...." Not necessarily. I believe the Scriptural teaching of the gifts of the Spirit are clearly shown to be the work of God through the believer. They would no more be dependent on the life-span of the individual (or the teaching for that matter) than they are on the individual's faith. In other words, I don't find that God would give a gift to an individual and then he/she be in permanent possession and practice of that gift until his/her death. I also have not yet found where He gives and then takes away gifts; it's just that I do see where particular gifts were used in particular events by individuals and then not mentioned again. If I have misunderstood you please redirect me. God bless, Jeff |
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6 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 211178 | ||
Hi Jeff:: Thank you for your response. To clarify for you, what I was saying is that the teaching in Cor. would open to more people the receiving of said gifts. I am not refuting, that the gifts of the Spirit are clearly shown to be the work of God through the believer, After all they are called the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, they were not conjoured up by man to do something for God. 1 Cor.14:12,13 12) Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. 13) Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. So we see that we "can seek" to a greater gift, a deeper understanding of them. A differant way of saying it would be, there were, and are today, people that can receive the gifts of the spirit, by being taught that they are available to us, and that we can seek for the manifestation of them in our lives. This teaching will be a direct cause of the proliferation of thes gifts. About the lifespan, I was saying that there were people, that were receiving these Gifts, that were alot younger than the Apostles, meaning that they would be living into the 2nd. century, and teaching others that they also could, and should receive also. And so on, until the 21st.century. you say: "I don't find that God would give a gift to an individual and then he/she be in permanent possession and practice of that gift until his/her death." answer: Are there any other people documented in the bible besides the Apostles, (Timothy) that we can definativly say, they had the Gifts? Is there any documentation, refuting the posession of these Gifts until their deaths? Did Paul, John, Peter ever Stop being Apostles? you say: "I do see where particular gifts were used in particular events by individuals and then not mentioned again." answer: What particular event are you refering to? We see that Jesus healed a "Lunitic", but because there are not 5 more accounts of this same event taking place, does this mean that Jesus lost the power to proform this healing? No of course it doesn't, it just means that there does not need to be a redundancy of ocasions for us to know, and believe that these events took place more than one time, I guess it is one of those things we are taught, we are to take on FAITH. In summary: 1) Gifts are clearly of GOD. 2) There can be teaching of receiving thes Gifts. 3) Is permanent possession of thes Gifts possable. 4) Your particular event scripture. 5) Gifts only used inparticular events. God Bless Nevvvvine |
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