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1 | Baptism in the Holy Spirit? | 1 Cor 12:13 | Morant61 | 76657 | ||
Greetings Disciplerami! I doubt it! :-) Water baptism is not mentioned in 1 Cor. 12:12, or Titus 3:5, or John 3:5. They all refer to a work of the Holy Spirit. Now, I know that we differ on the role of baptism in salvation, and I don't really want to rehash all of that. But, I am curious about the Scriptural support for the following statement of yours: "At the water, the baptized person's faith meets the grace of God." The only reference I could find in the New Testament which gives a condition for grace is Rom. 5:2, "through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God." But, there is no reference to water baptism here! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Baptism in the Holy Spirit? | 1 Cor 12:13 | disciplerami | 76673 | ||
Thanks for the response. Let me start with the three passages first mentioned: 1 Cor 12:13, baptism might refer to Holy Spirit baptism, it might also refer to water baptism [the one that is commanded of all disciples]. The Holy Spirit is necessarily active in the washing and water [without the regeneration power of the Holy Spirit, you just get wet], but water Baptism is the place it occurs. John and Titus speak of water and washing. John 3's context shows that the "water" is connected to the disciples being baptized [where there was much water]; and this sparked a controversy over purification (Jn 3:22,23,25). On your second question about my statement that faith meets grace at baptism. A couple of passages shows this: Galatians 3:26,27 "for you are all sons of God through faith in Christ, for all of ye who were baptized into Christ, have clothed yourselves with Christ." Colossians 2:12 'having been buried [co-buried]with Him IN THE BAPTISM, in which ye were also raised [co-raised] with Him THROUGH THE FAITH in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.' HENCE: BEING CO-RAISED [AND IF YOU'VE BEEN RAISED, COL.3:1] OCCURS AT THE SAME TIME ONE IS RISING FROM THE WATER, AND THROUGH FAITH IN THE POWER OF GOD TO RAISE THE DEAD. These passages show the purpose of Baptism. It is where the sinner demonstrates His faith in the promises of God, it is also where God through the Holy Spirit regenerates the Soul. Water baptism does not become a work of merit, but it marks the day at which the person was saved by the grace of God. That's my take on it. I understand if you don't want to rehash your position once again. Have a good day. |
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3 | Baptism in the Holy Spirit? | 1 Cor 12:13 | Morant61 | 76698 | ||
Greetings Disciplerami! This demonstrates my problem with this particular doctrinal problem. Not one of these verses mentions 'water baptism', but it is assumed that water baptism must be the issue whenever the words 'water' or 'baptism' are used. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Baptism in the Holy Spirit? | 1 Cor 12:13 | disciplerami | 76725 | ||
O.K. fair enough. The Galatian passage I refer to being 'immersed' into Jesus Christ. Is that speaking of Holy Spirit Baptism into Christ? As I stated, I think he is referring to water baptism What about the Colossian passage? The 12th verse says they were raised out of the immersion THROUGH THEIR FAITH in the working of God. Being 'raised' (see also 3:1) is seen as the new birth. How does 'faith in the working of God' fit into a discussion of Holy Spirit baptism? Colossians 2:12 depicts a burial and resurrection through faith. I really am curious to know how that, or if that, leads you to think of Holy Spirit baptism? Thanks Tim, Have a good day. |
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