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1 | What's up with the italics in vs. 23? | Rom 9:23 | Whitewave | 86753 | ||
"Here they come..." All this reflects many common misunderstandings. The top of the Authority ladder is not the Bible. The top of the Authority ladder is GOD. Skip the "yeah, but..."s. It's God. God. God. "God's Word" is anything He expresses. This includes much of the Bible, but mainly His ultimate expression is Jesus Christ. "Expresses" is a general term, not a technical one. I'm using it to signify anything that comes out of Him. There are things which have come out of God which are not contained within the pages, and there are things which are within the pages, which did not come out of God. I'm not talking about the fact that the history is recorded, that is a God thing. I'm talking about what that history records. I'll give you only one verse. 1 Cor. 7:12 If you want to hash all this out with me, then it may go kinda slow because going over this issue again with yet another person who doesn't know me is not high on my priority list. You are panicking over nothing, because if you met me you would see that there are few other people who warm the pews every Sunday at even the most conservative churches who respect the Bible as much as I do. In practice, I revere the Bible greatly. The theories that I have been exposed to, however, do not fit neatly into the simplistic catagories that you seem to limit me to. I'm sorry, but you do not know me and are jumping to conclusions about my faith that are just false. This entire post has the faint scent of reactionary deffensiveness. I'm going to guess about this, even though I may be wrong, and say straight up- that I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by questioning your authority here. I may have been too harsh in my treatment of your first post and so offended you. You obviously care alot about people's walk and their faith. I'll tell you honestly that I don't usually read people's profiles because I want to respond to their text directly, without any interferance from status or age or gender or whatever. Those things tend to bring an influence that does not neccarily coincide with how a person interacts with others. Perhaps you don't know many people who are as honest about themselves and their lives as I have been in my profile. This too is sadly common in the Church. I can assure you that my struggles are the same struggles that surround you when you sit in Church every Sunday. On the surface, people may smile and laugh and say, "AMEN!" and act as if all were glory and victory. But, I assure you, under that veneer are hurting, confused, angry, bereft human beings. The lie of the devil is this: "A Christian's life should be good and satisfying and happy and well and they should have nothing to scream or cry about." Much of what you've written reflects things I was taught years ago and used to believe. [Please read that last sentence again.] There is no experience in my life which is uncommon to man. Just because I too feel the sentence of death, like Paul, doesn't mean it is a result of not believing as you believe about the Bible. I suspect we are both trying to be patient with one another. You are an evangelical. I am not. In terms of faith, I have been where you are. You have not been where I am. I must go. Whitewave |
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2 | What's up with the italics in vs. 23? | Rom 9:23 | Hank | 86837 | ||
Whitewave: This comes from one who spent a number of years of his life as a distinctly non-evangelical Christian. I did in fact embrace and defend a number of very liberal points of view. Looking back I see that I was attempting to blend the teachings of Scripture with certain ideas of philosophy, sociology, anthropology, biology, geology and humanism. But I botched it, and instead of a harmonous symphony I got a cacophonous melange of conflicting and incongruous ideas and philosophies that gave me neither intellectual satisfaction nor spiritual edification. I began as never before to dig into Scripture. I read and meditated upon the words of Proverbs 14:12: "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death" and realized that I had been giving far too much weight to man-made theories and philosophies. I dwelled upon the words of 2 Timothy 3:16,17: "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God (literally, is God breathed), and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." It finally sunk into my thick head that the Bible doesn't CONTAIN the word of God but that it IS the word of God. God's word is not MUCH of the Bible, it is ALL of the Bible. God's word is not "anything" He expresses; it is Scripture, and it is EVERYTHING He has revealed about Himself, His Son, and His plan for the redemption of fallen humanity. The deeper I dug into Scripture, the more fervently I prayed for the illumination of the Spirit of God to lead me into all truth, I discovered that my erstwhile liberal views on interpretaton of Scripture and my haunting misgivings about its absolute inerrancy began to melt like a snowball on a hot stove. O, what godly sorrow I have still that for a while I fell into Satan's trap and regarded that blessed old book, the Bible, the very word of God, with less awe and honor than is proper for a redeemed child of the King: "For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." (Hebrews 4:12). --Hank | ||||||
3 | What's up with the italics in vs. 23? | Rom 9:23 | Whitewave | 86840 | ||
Hank, Thank you for your humble tone. I just don't have the time or the energy to explain to you all how much you don't understand who I am or what I'm up to. ... You just wasted an hour of my badly needed sleep time provoking me to say things that I don't really want to say. I've deleted it all twice. I'm exausted. I came here looking for any help in understanding the theory behind the NASB translation of Romans 9:23. So many words exchanged, and so little understanding or wisdom. So much well-intended prayer and outspokenness, and so much destruction. Whitewave |
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