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1 | What's up with the italics in vs. 23? | Rom 9:23 | Whitewave | 86753 | ||
"Here they come..." All this reflects many common misunderstandings. The top of the Authority ladder is not the Bible. The top of the Authority ladder is GOD. Skip the "yeah, but..."s. It's God. God. God. "God's Word" is anything He expresses. This includes much of the Bible, but mainly His ultimate expression is Jesus Christ. "Expresses" is a general term, not a technical one. I'm using it to signify anything that comes out of Him. There are things which have come out of God which are not contained within the pages, and there are things which are within the pages, which did not come out of God. I'm not talking about the fact that the history is recorded, that is a God thing. I'm talking about what that history records. I'll give you only one verse. 1 Cor. 7:12 If you want to hash all this out with me, then it may go kinda slow because going over this issue again with yet another person who doesn't know me is not high on my priority list. You are panicking over nothing, because if you met me you would see that there are few other people who warm the pews every Sunday at even the most conservative churches who respect the Bible as much as I do. In practice, I revere the Bible greatly. The theories that I have been exposed to, however, do not fit neatly into the simplistic catagories that you seem to limit me to. I'm sorry, but you do not know me and are jumping to conclusions about my faith that are just false. This entire post has the faint scent of reactionary deffensiveness. I'm going to guess about this, even though I may be wrong, and say straight up- that I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by questioning your authority here. I may have been too harsh in my treatment of your first post and so offended you. You obviously care alot about people's walk and their faith. I'll tell you honestly that I don't usually read people's profiles because I want to respond to their text directly, without any interferance from status or age or gender or whatever. Those things tend to bring an influence that does not neccarily coincide with how a person interacts with others. Perhaps you don't know many people who are as honest about themselves and their lives as I have been in my profile. This too is sadly common in the Church. I can assure you that my struggles are the same struggles that surround you when you sit in Church every Sunday. On the surface, people may smile and laugh and say, "AMEN!" and act as if all were glory and victory. But, I assure you, under that veneer are hurting, confused, angry, bereft human beings. The lie of the devil is this: "A Christian's life should be good and satisfying and happy and well and they should have nothing to scream or cry about." Much of what you've written reflects things I was taught years ago and used to believe. [Please read that last sentence again.] There is no experience in my life which is uncommon to man. Just because I too feel the sentence of death, like Paul, doesn't mean it is a result of not believing as you believe about the Bible. I suspect we are both trying to be patient with one another. You are an evangelical. I am not. In terms of faith, I have been where you are. You have not been where I am. I must go. Whitewave |
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2 | What's up with the italics in vs. 23? | Rom 9:23 | Mommapbs | 86773 | ||
Greetings Whitewave: No, you have not offended me with your posts nor did you hurt my feelings. No, you did not question my authority for I stand upon the Authority of God's revealed Word. But in terms of faith, you are not where I am, nor have you been. I am not where you are nor will I be. I do not know you personally, true. But I do recognize some things about you from what you have written. ("As a man thinks in his heart, so is he.") You can't pick and choose what to believe in God's Word; either is is what it claims to be, or it is not. This is a Forum that presumes the authority of God's Word, yet you have stated that you do not believe in the authority of the Bible. DO you have Peace? mommapbs |
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3 | What's up with the italics in vs. 23? | Rom 9:23 | Whitewave | 86832 | ||
nnnnnnn-k. I've looked at our conversation again and I see that I got dragged into a debate about some things that I did not come here to debate. I left myself open to it to some extent, but I'm sure that I've tried to stick to the topic. You are treating me inappropriately. I have been advised to blow you off. I'm going to take 3 days off from reading your posts in order to cool off, then hopefully the inspiration for how to respond kindly to you will come to me. Whitewave |
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4 | What's up with the italics in vs. 23? | Rom 9:23 | Hank | 86839 | ||
Dear Whitewave: I come not specifically to defend Mommapbs, although I have enormous respect for this user and admire the general tone and spirit of the many posts she has contributed to this forum. Nor do I come to chasten you. Mommapbs, not unlike the majority of forum users, holds the Bible in high esteem and defends it as being the inerrant word of God. I don't see Mommapbs' posts on this thread as constituting an "inappropriate" treatment of you personally; they obviously are in disagreement with some of your statements that you have entered concerning the authority of Scripture, statements with which I also disagree. But please don't take these disagreements with your position to mean that they are directed to you in a personal sense, because I don't for a moment believe that Mommapbs has ever posted to this forum with any malicious intent. You will find -- indeed you may already have found -- that you or anyone else will be challenged on this forum to the extent that you bring into question the inerrancy and authority of Scripture. As regards your inter-action with Mommapbs or with any other forum user, may I suggest that you take your own self-prescribed advice and "cool off" instead of posting something in anger for which you may have occasion later to regret :-) That's prime advice for us all, this writer included! We all of us live too much in a frenzy in our hurly-burly world. How we need to slow down and number ourselves among "those who wait on the Lord (who) shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings like eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint." (Isaiah 40:31). Whitewave, my welcome to you still stands; I trust you will find no offense in this my effort to smooth over the friction that has arisen; and I pray that you will find in your participation on this forum some measure of spiritual growth for yourself as well as being a source of help and inspiration to others. May God's word always be a lamp to your feet and a light to your path. --Hank | ||||||