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1 | IF God KNEW, why make it so? | Rom 7:7 | calmira | 168770 | ||
This doesn't seem to make sence. If we were created "perfect", this would suggest the ability to reject sin altogether. Thus, how can a *perfect* creature then willfully sin? My question is bigger than this: IF God KNEW we were going to fail, why make it so? This is what confuses me. | ||||||
2 | IF God KNEW, why make it so? | Rom 7:7 | Wild Olive Shoot | 168799 | ||
I often wonder about those who mumble concerning how God can let us sin and relate that in evidence to negate being created perfect by God, if they would also be the first to complain if they had no freedom of choice and claimed that God created emotionless robots and we worship him because he gave us no other choice? As if that could be. God tells us we were “very good” or perfect creations, we're not perfect now, but once were. In that perfection however, man was also given perfect freedom of choice. You are free to choose as you please but are also warned that in all you choose to do it may neither be beneficial nor constructive and can in the same respect hurt you. You can choose to accept God and His Word or not. You can choose to continue a debate in which sufficient evidence from other forum users has been provided or you can choose to discard this evidence and pay it no mind. The answer to any “why” question concerning God is the same today as it was two thousand years ago and will be the same two thousand years from now should He decide to keep us here that long. Why, because God is sovereign. Because we cannot begin to understand a ceaselessly perfect God and how He can utilize His infinitely perfect mind and endless wisdom to relate to us. Man was created flawless and can and will be flawless again should we place our faith in Christ and live in His promise. 1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. John Gill states in reference to 1 Peter 5:10: …”for God will make his people "perfect": and which respects not their justification; for in that sense they are perfect already in Christ, their head, who has perfectly fulfilled the law for them, and fully expiated their sins; has completely redeemed them, and procured for them the pardon of all their trespasses; and has justified them from all their iniquities: but their sanctification; for though all grace is implanted in them at once, yet it is gradually brought to perfection; there is a perfection of parts, of all the parts of the new man, or creature, but not of degrees; and there is a comparative perfection with respect to themselves, before conversion, or with respect to hypocrites; for perfection oftentimes means no other than integrity and sincerity; or with respect to other Christians, who are weaker in knowledge and experience: and there is a perfection of holiness in Christ, who is their sanctification, but not in themselves; for every part of the work of grace is imperfect, as faith, love, knowledge and sin dwells in them, and they stand in need of fresh supplies of grace; and even the best of them disclaim perfection, though they greatly desire it, as here the apostle prays for it; and which shows that, as yet, they had it not, though they will have it hereafter in heaven, where there will be perfect knowledge, and perfect holiness, and perfect happiness.” – John Gill Faith in Christ leads us into perfection. You are sanctified through your faith in Christ and He carries you to perfection as noted below: from Easton’s Bible Dictionary. Sanctification “Involves more than a mere moral reformation of character, brought about by the power of the truth: it is the work of the Holy Spirit bringing the whole nature more and more under the influences of the new gracious principles implanted in the soul in regeneration. In other words, sanctification is the carrying on to perfection the work begun in regeneration, and it extends to the whole man (Rom 6:13; 2Co 4:6; Col 3:10; 1Jo 4:7; 1Co 6:19). It is the special office of the Holy Spirit in the plan of redemption to carry on this work (1Co 6:11; 2Th 2:13).”… After all of this and that, I don’t really get the impression that you have received a satisfactory answer nor do foresee it, to be honest. God created us for His Glory. Whether we sin or not, God will still be glorified. But in the end it won’t be a question of sin, for God will discard sin and evil like yesterdays rubbish. Here and now, we have a choice; end up in the lake of fire with the rest of the rubbish, or be glorified and made perfect to spend eternity with God. That’s perfect freedom, remnant from a once perfect creation I suppose. WOS Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. …”for even the destruction of the wicked, which is under a divine appointment, is for his glory. … God made man, neither to damn him, nor to save him, but for his own glory; and that is secured, whether in his salvation or damnation; nor did or does God make men wicked; he made man upright, and he has made himself wicked; and, being so, God may justly appoint him to damnation for his wickedness, in doing which he glorifies his justice.” – John Gill |
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3 | IF God KNEW, why make it so? | Rom 7:7 | calmira | 168809 | ||
Thank you for your response. It does give more insight than the others, as no-one was really answering the question. By the way, I am not asserting that we were not made perfect; I believe we were, but had a difficult time reconciling how sin fit into the equation. I am posing the question as a point of reference for discussion. It's odd that you assume I won't find a satisfactory answer: Your answer is very satisfactory and... if you look below, Mark's answer really shed new light on what I was asking and made things much clearer for me. Your response seems to have a condescending overtone..I apologize if that is not the case. As a believer I want to equip myself with sufficient knowledge in order that I may give an answer when asked (as I have) about this issue by non-believers. This has been my intent in asking these questions. again, thank you for your very insightful response. In Christ, Carlos |
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4 | IF God KNEW, why make it so? | Rom 7:7 | Wild Olive Shoot | 168816 | ||
calmira, I do apologize if I expressed my thoughts with anything construed as condescending, and if it was, it wasn’t necessarily directed at you. I find them to be such a mystery, those who make every argument possible to deny the sovereignty of God and the truth of His Word. I find for myself that when trying to uncover that shroud, that mysterious garb, I get a sense of frustration and it does surface (honestly something I must gain more control over). I truly apologize and hope that you will understand. Many people seem to make a poor attempt at establishing anything contradictory such as God making us sinful or God not giving us choices and basically blaming a fallen world on a God most high and who is perfect and holy in every essence of the words. When in fact, it is our decision making that has brought us here, well, maybe not ours directly, but we would have done the same don’t you think? But we are right were God wants us anyhow; amazing how it works out. Although you may get an answer that suffices, some will not and it is not even because the sovereignty of God can’t be explained, but simply because they do not want to accept it. Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. They choose to be willfully ignorant. I used to think that I could talk a starving cat off a tuna truck until I attempted one day to explain God and his grace to a nonbeliever. You would have thought I was trying to pull teeth from a chicken. I learned to accept however, that my responsible is to only deliver, to the best of my ability while relying on Christ, the good news, and then to let God do the rest. Sometimes I must be persistent and others I must be more careful, but I am to witness. Your search for answers to edify yourself is commendable and I pray you continue. I’m still searching myself for many answers and do trust that I’ll find them as I progress and know there are many that I just may not get answers to this side of heaven. Sometimes that is hard to accept but something that is factual and needing to be dealt with. I’m glad you were able to get answers that satisfied you, there are many wise posters on this forum and you’ll do well to listen to them and you can recognize them, just compare what they post to God’s Word (you have had a few already reply to you). Now if you can just get those who question to listen as well! Just a closing note, it doesn’t matter what we do when it comes to God concerning His glory. He’s glorified regardless of what we choose and do. God orders all and everything works in support of His eternally perfect plan whether we have faith or not or whether or not we intended the act to be vile and wicked. God uses all for His glory and much in ways we cannot comprehend. But by the grace of God, faith in Christ keeps us from having to worry about that godless place reserved for the wicked. And promises us that one day, we’ll have answers to all of our questions. 1Corinthians 13:9-10: 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. WOS |
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5 | IF God KNEW, why make it so? | Rom 7:7 | calmira | 168833 | ||
No apology needed. It is commendable that you recognize your frustrations and want to gain control over the way they surface. You are very knowledgeable and your writing is very powerful and succinct. There is no doubt that your presence in this forum is extremely useful and a great blessing. Thank you for your words and God bless. Carlos |
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