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1 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Davidsimpson0959 | 218087 | ||
Tim, Thanks for the kind reply... I'm not sure if you have already wrestled with the following problems regarding 7:14-25... 1. How an unsaved man would not want to sin, verses 15 and 16. Paul, as a pharisee, might explain this, but a pharisee and gentile alike are both unsaved, and the biblical references of the state of man do not distinguish between the two. 2. An unsaved man "confessing that it is good" in verse 16. 3. "So now, no longer" words that emphatically state present tense, in verse 17 4. verse 23, "but I see a different law" fairly clearly means this a different Paul, perhaps a converted Paul. By the way, I don't know if I agree with the use of the words "Always" and "Never" as being implied in this passage, unless they are used to substantiate your view, or in the meaning of the original greek. To me, they could just as easily mean "sometimes" or "occasionally", unless I'm missing something. respectfully, David |
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2 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Morant61 | 218104 | ||
Greetings David! Sorry for the delay in responding, but I have been extremely busy. God is really blessing our local congregation. :-) I don't want to get into too much detail on the forum. We had a long discussion about this topic a short time ago, so I don't want to re-open that discussion. I will try to provide some brief answers to your questions, but if you would like to discuss this in more detail, please contact me at Morant61@insightbb.com. 1. Both history and Scripture are clear that those of the Jewish faith love God's love and want to obey it, but find themselves unable to do so because of the 'sarx'. I see this description, not as a description of every unbeliever, but of Paul as a Christian now, looking back to when he was not. 2) For a short answer, go back to Romans 2. 3) The entire passage is written in the present tense. If the passage is taken as a dramatic present, then v. 17 simply indicates action congruent with the time of the rest of the passage. 4) I would see v. 23 as reference, not to the converted Paul, but the frustrated Pharisee. V. 23 is simply restating what Paul has been saying. He wants to obey the Law, but cannot because of the flesh. 5) The 'always' and 'never' come from the present tense of the verbs for 'do'. They do not indicate occasional actions, but continuous actions. Thus, the person described in Rom. 7, never does what is right, and always does what is wrong. This is one of the main reasons why so many believe that this passage is not describing the Christian experience. Certainly, we all could testify that at times we have done what we did not 'want' to do. But, is this true of Christians 'all' the time? As I said though, I don't want to open up another long debate. If you would like to discuss this further, please e-mail me. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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