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1 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Davidsimpson0959 | 218052 | ||
Greetings, In the spirit of recognizing God's supreme sovereignty, not necessarily exclusively Calvanistic, but so be it... Your assertion that Salvation changes our ability to willfully abstain from sin, since we are no longer slaves to sin, would apparently be contradicted by Romans 7:18-19 "For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. It sounds as if Paul is no more able to resist sin with Salvation than as a slave to sin. The difference between conditions prior to salvation and after salvation, seems to be more a matter of switching from being slaves to sin, to slaves to righteousness, or slaves to God. Wouldn't this mean that abstaining from sin would be a result of the conditions of our service to God, as his slave? Isn't this really the process of sanctification which is a work of God? Perhaps you have another reference to support the assertion that what is meant in Romans 6, is that we are able to willfully resist sin? Respectfully, David |
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2 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Morant61 | 218072 | ||
Greetings David! I am very short on time, so may I point you to a couple of my posts that may answer your questions. Simply enter these numbers in the box on the top right that reads: Search Words or Id Number. 209355, 209535, 209559, 209297. The first three posts contain my exegesis of Romans 6-8. They should clarify what I mean about being free from the power of sin. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Davidsimpson0959 | 218087 | ||
Tim, Thanks for the kind reply... I'm not sure if you have already wrestled with the following problems regarding 7:14-25... 1. How an unsaved man would not want to sin, verses 15 and 16. Paul, as a pharisee, might explain this, but a pharisee and gentile alike are both unsaved, and the biblical references of the state of man do not distinguish between the two. 2. An unsaved man "confessing that it is good" in verse 16. 3. "So now, no longer" words that emphatically state present tense, in verse 17 4. verse 23, "but I see a different law" fairly clearly means this a different Paul, perhaps a converted Paul. By the way, I don't know if I agree with the use of the words "Always" and "Never" as being implied in this passage, unless they are used to substantiate your view, or in the meaning of the original greek. To me, they could just as easily mean "sometimes" or "occasionally", unless I'm missing something. respectfully, David |
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4 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | DocTrinsograce | 218090 | ||
I don't mean to jump into the discussion unbidden, however, I am mindful of a quote that I posted a couple years ago on the forum. (A Biblical definition of sin is essential for evaluating the teaching of entire sanctification.) "First, people tend to think of sins in the plural as consciously willed acts where one was aware of and chose not to do the righteous alternative. Sin, in this popular misunderstanding, refers to matters of conscious volitional awareness of wrongdoing and the ability to do otherwise. This instinctive view of sin infects many Christians and almost all non-Christians. It has a long legacy in the church under the label Pelagianism, one of the oldest and most instinctive heresies. The Bible's view of sin certainly includes the high-handed sins where evil approaches full volitional awareness. But sin also includes what we simply are, and the perverse ways we think, want, remember, and react. "Most sin is invisible to the sinner because it is simply how the sinner works, how the sinner perceives, wants, and interprets things. Once we see sin for what it really is -- madness and evil intentions in our hearts, absence of any fear of God, slavery to various passions (Ecclesiastes 9:3; Genesis 6:5; Psalm 36:1; Titus 3:3) -- then it becomes easier to see how sin is the immediate and specific problem all counseling deals with at every moment, not a general and remote problem. The core insanity of the human heart is that we violate the first great commandment. We will love anything, except God, unless our madness is checked by grace. "People do not tend to see sin as applying to relatively unconscious problems, to the deep, interesting, and bedeviling stuff in our hearts. But God's descriptions of sin often highlights the unconscious aspect. Sin -- the desires we pursue, the beliefs we hold, the habits we obey as second nature -- is intrinsically deceitful. If we knew we were deceived, we would not be deceived. But we are deceived, unless awakened through God's truth and Spirit. Sin is a darkened mind, drunkenness, animal-like instinct and compulsion, madness, slavery, ignorance, stupor. People often think that to define sin as unconscious removes human responsibility. How can we be culpable for what we did not sit down and choose to do? But the Bible takes the opposite track. The unconscious and semiconscious nature of much sin simply testifies to the fact that we are steeped in it. Sinners think, want, and act sin-like by nature, nurture, and practice." --David Powlison (2007) |
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5 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | YenIsaRap | 218097 | ||
Dear Doc (A Biblical definition of sanctification is essential for evaluating any teaching on sanctification.) YenIsaRap |
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6 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | DocTrinsograce | 218106 | ||
Hi, YenslaRap... You are absolutely right. Our terms must be carefully defined. So much error arises from developing new definitions for old terms. I have written extensively on the forum, providing Scriptural definitions of terms. If you search under my account name, you will see that I have laid out each component of the ordo salutis. I'll start another thread on Sanctification if you like. In Him, Doc |
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7 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | YenIsaRap | 218110 | ||
Dear Doc: Thank's that would be great:-) In Christ Alone YenIsaRap |
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