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1 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 209706 | ||
Tim, just a question: In your view, was Finney so far "out there" that he is to be judged as a heretic, a false teacher, and, as such, someone who is to be deemed not a believer in Jesus, not truly saved (which seems to be not only Doc's explicit opinion but the general consensus on this board)? | ||||||
2 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Morant61 | 209717 | ||
Greetings Looking! I have been doing some reading about the charges against Finney by looking into Finney's own Systematic Theology. Here is what I have found so far: 1) Vicarious death of Christ: Some have argued that Finney did not believe in the substitutionary death of Christ. Based upon his own comments, he clearly did. So, this charge is false. 2) Original sin: Finney did not accept the traditional view of original sin. He denied any kind of inherited or physical component to sin. Instead, he viewed sin as only a transgression; therefore, it could not be passed on, but had to be done by each individual. There are clearly some major problems with this view. He clearly was not orthodox in this issue, so the charge is true. 3) Justification by faith: His view of justification did not allow for an imputed righteousness. Instead, he viewed 'sanctification' as a present, and ongoing condition of justification. In other words, works of righteousness were required for salvation. Clearly, he was not orthodox in this matter either. Certainly, none of us could judge his relationship to God, but based on his own words, I would have to say he was guilty of heresy. Part of his problem seems to be that he tried so hard to judge Scripture based upon reason and natural law. This seems to have caused him to stray from sound doctrine. I certainly would not recommend his teachings to anyone. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209724 | ||
Mornin' Tim: Tim, can you find Finney's words for me that, say he clearly 'did' accept the substitutionary death of Christ? You wrote: "1) Vicarious death of Christ: Some have argued that Finney did not believe in the substitutionary death of Christ. Based upon his own comments, he clearly did. So, this charge is false." Finney wrote: [Subhead:] Foundation of the justification of penitent believers in Christ. What is the ultimate ground or reason of their justification? "It is not founded in Christ's literally suffering the exact penalty of the law for them, and in this sense literally purchasing their justification and eternal salvation" From Finney's [Systematic Theology, 373]. That seems to say pretty clearly that, he did not accept 'Christ Death' as justification for sinners. Where did he say otherwise, that would contradict the above quote; can you show me please? Thanks. God bless John |
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4 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 209764 | ||
Note Finney's remarks below: "The vicarious suffering or atonement of Christ is a condition of justification, or of the pardon and acceptance of penitent sinners." "I regard the atonement of Christ as the necessary condition of safely manifesting the benevolence of God in the justification and salvation of sinners." "That Christ's sufferings, and especially His death, were vicarious, has been abundantly shown in treating the subject of atonement." It seems to me the Finney was not objecting to the death of Christ as the means of justification for sinners per se, but how the death of Christ is to be understood in relation to justifying sinners. |
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