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1 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | BradK | 209564 | ||
Hello lookin, I've read enough of Finney's "Systematic Theology" to know 2 things: 1. There's nothing systematic about it; 2. It's more a collection of essays on ethics I thought it was quite clear in the footnotes as to where Johnson and Warfield got their information! Might I ask in all fairness, why you hold Finney in such high regard? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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2 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 209565 | ||
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3 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | azurelaw | 209568 | ||
Dear Looking, I have to admit that I have not read much about Finney's work. It seems to me that you have read a lot of his accordingly. So, maybe you can tell me if you find his teaching appear heretic in the following 2 areas as proposed by Orthodoxy according to Brad's post 209542? "He rejected the doctrine of justification by faith as well as denying original sin. These are foundational- essentials- of Orthodoxy" Shalom Azure |
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4 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 209570 | ||
Azure, I would need to know where in his writings is his rejection of "justification by faith" found. | ||||||
5 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Wild Olive Shoot | 209571 | ||
Dear Lookn, I see you are taking some heat concerning Finney and simply from what I’ve read hear on the forum, it is probably rightly so. I’m in know way familiar with Finney, so I would simply like to comment two specific things I’ve read throughout the thread. Some very good points have been brought to light concerning Finney and his theology to which, and I could have missed it, you haven’t addressed. Those being that he has denied justification by faith and original sin. If he has done that lookin, his theology can in no manner be sound as these are essential doctrines to the Christian faith. Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. The other point I would like to make: You have now stated numerous times something to the effect that God raised up Finney or rather used him to bring many people to Christ, I’m paraphrasing. However I would like to caution you not to confuse God using a person in error with God using the effects of the person in error. Simply, there is a vast difference. I think to emphasize the point with a more contemporary example, look at Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda. According to accounts, this lunatic speaks to followers in 35 different nations while claiming to be the embodiment of both Jesus and the antichrist. He’s brought many people to Christ? He brought many people falsely or wrongly or to no Christ at all. Not meaning to compare this guy with Finney, only the example in maybe a strange sort of way. But God, being the God He is, isn’t using this man, I don’t believe, to bring people to Christ, but He can surely use the cause and effects to accomplish what He desires. Romans 8:28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Stand in His grace, WOS |
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6 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 209630 | ||
WOS: If you're "in know (sic) way familiar with Finney," how can you rightly and fairly conclude that the "heat" I'm taking "is probably rightly so"? | ||||||
7 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Wild Olive Shoot | 209643 | ||
Simply... Because of the fine people that have been telling you otherwise. I've studied with some of these folks for a couple of years now. They are intelligently thorough and very sound in doctrine. They have a love of God's word that seems to be infrequent these days. I know you don't know them as well as I do, but if you did, you would seriously consider looking into the information they have provided. They are truly trying to help. It is to your benefit to take some of the things that have been pointed out and hold them against scripture. 2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Stand in His grace, WOS |
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8 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 209703 | ||
WOS, I appreciate your concern as an appropriate demonstration of Christian character. However: 1. It is not appropriate to criticize what one admits to have no familiarity. 2. Even "fine people" are prone to error in one point of "sound doctrine" or another. 3. My conscience does not allow me to simply submit to the opinions of others merely because they are fine and well learned people. This does not indicate any lack of respect for them. 4. Having considered their comments and looked into the info provided, I have found nothing that would warrant a change of views with respect to the present discussion. I think, as believers, we all strive to know God as best we can. Differences abound, nevertheless, and we may need to loss some of our dogmatic-oriented tendencies in order to accommodate each other’s views in a way that maintains "the word of truth" in harmony with "love of the brethren"; and, if our faith in Christ is genuine, the latter won’t be practiced at the expense of the former and neither will the former be compromised because of the latter. Does that mean we ought to tolerate heresy? No. It does mean we ought need to understand what heresy is and make sure we possess enough love and grace in us to effectively combat it lest, however much we are holding to what we deem to be truth, we fall away into error. 1 John 5:2. |
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9 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209715 | ||
Dear Lookn' Your post is very well done, but nonetheless I believe at this point we maybe are just fostering a debate. I think it is time, and long over time to, put this one to bed. Okay? Please review the "Terms of Use." Be very sure that you understand and agree to comply with these guidelines. Failure to do so may result in revocation of your privilege to post. God bless John |
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10 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 209757 | ||
Please note, I am not the one was not the one who either started or fostered the debate; I was only sharing my views. Those who responded asserted challenged my position by advising me that I was in error. Again, I merely presented my views and made no judgments on another's. It would heve been more appropriate, if there is to be any objectivity nd fairness, that the warning should have includeded all the posters who responded with said judgmental comments (especially with respecftul menation of Doc). However, whether or not I agee, I respect whatever action you deem appropriate. |
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