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1 | Do we overthrow the Law? | Rom 3:31 | kalos | 53769 | ||
Are We Not Subject To The Law of God? Romans 3:31 (ESV) Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (Amplified) Do we then by [this] faith make the Law of no effect, overthrow it or make it a dead letter? Certainly not! On the contrary, we confirm and establish and uphold the Law. (GOD'S WORD version) Are we abolishing Moses' Teachings by this faith? That's unthinkable! Rather, we are supporting Moses' Teachings. (From "Not Subject To The Law of God?" Part 8. www.yashanet.com/library/under8.htm All following Scripture quotes are from the GOD'S WORD version of the Bible, unless otherwise noted.) "The teaching that 'we are free from the Torah,' is a product of hundreds of years of anti-Semitic theology and is in opposition to Scripture. The 'New Testament,' when put back into its Hebrew context, says this about the Torah and believers in Yeshua:" Matthew 5:17 "Don't ever think that I came to set aside Moses' Teachings or the Prophets. I didn't come to set them aside but to make them come true. Matt 19:17 Jesus said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you want to enter into life, obey the commandments." Revelation 12:17 The serpent became angry with the woman. So it went away to fight with her other children, the ones who keep God's commands and hold on to the testimony of Jesus. John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey my commandments. John 15:10 If you obey my commandments, you will live in my love. I have obeyed my Father's commandments, and in that way I live in his love. 1 John 2:3 We are sure that we know Christ if we obey his commandments. 2:4 The person who says, "I know him," but doesn't obey his commandments is a liar. The truth isn't in that person. 2:5 But whoever obeys what Christ says is the kind of person in whom God's love is perfected. That's how we know we are in Christ. 1 John 5:3 (Revised Standard Version) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments (Greek: *entole* [Strong's #1785]: ethically used of the commandments in the Mosaic law). And his commandments (*entole*) are not burdensome. |
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2 | Do we overthrow the Law? | Rom 3:31 | McGracer | 53791 | ||
Kalos, Of course we don't overthrow the Law. How could we, the creations, overthrow the morality of God, the Creator? The Law is useful if we use it correctly - to show unregenerate man that he is a sinner and needs a Savior. But Christians are called to live by faith in Christ, not by faith in the Law. What is the purpose of the Law? The Law was given to make us conscious of sin - Rom 3:20; Rom 7:7,13; Gal 3:19; 1 Tim 1:8-10. The Law was given to stir up sin - Rom 7:5,7-9; 1 Cor 15:56 The Law lets us know what God's character and morality is like. In doing so, it lets us know how sinful and unlike Him we are in our unregenerate state. The Law cannot justify us, impart life to us, make us righteous, or perfect us. - Gal 2:16,21; Gal 3:11,20,21; Heb 7:19; Heb 10:1 It can't do this before salvation and it can't do it after salvation either. Instead, the Law can only bring death. - Rom 7:10; 2 Cor 3:6,7,9; Gal 3:10,21; James 2:10 The purpose of the Law is to lead us to Christ. - Gal 3:1-3,24,25 So should we still preach the Law? To sinners, yes. The Law shows them their sinfulness and their need for a Saviour, Jesus Christ. Christ was born under, taught under, and fulfilled the Law. - Gal 4:4; Matt 5:17,18; Rom 10:4 This is important to know because much of our Lord's teaching was centered in the Law. The New Covenant did not go into effect until Christ's death, so He taught under the Old Covenant to show His listeners their need for salvation by faith, apart from works. And He completely fulfilled the Law. Christ has set us free from the Law. - Rom 6:14,15; Rom 7:1-4,6,18,19,22; Rom 8:2,13; Gal 2:4,19,20; Gal 3:13,25; Gal 4:5; Gal 5:1,18 Christians have died to the Law so that they can now be married to Christ. We are no longer married to Mr. Law. We are married to Mr. Grace. The Law includes the Ten Commandments. Some would say that we are no longer under the ceremonial Law but still under the moral Law. We do not have this option. If we are going to be under the Law, we must be under all of it - ceremonial, moral, and civil. We cannot pick and choose what parts of the Law we can be under. Let's rejoice that we are under grace! McGracer |
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3 | Do we overthrow the Law? | Rom 3:31 | Reformer Joe | 53795 | ||
McGracer: First of all, Kalos is not saying that we are justified by the law, so arguments against that do not need to be made. We are all three in agreement there. Secondly, all three of us agree that we are "under grace." However, have you carefully looked at the rest of Romans 6? Paul says that we are freed from sin and the curse of the law. It does not say that God's law now serves no purpose. In fact, Paul writes: "I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification." --Romans 6:19 Paul here directly states that the opposite of sanctification is LAWLESSNESS. Therefore, the law of God (i.e. his holy and just and moral commandments), while not the basis of our justification, plays an indispensible role in our sanctification. Paul says that he delights in the law of God (Romans 7:21); he says that those who are living according to the flesh cannot submit to God's law (Romans 8:7), thereby implying that submitting to God's law is akin to pleasing God (Romans 8:8). In Ephesians 6 he directly quotes the fifth commandment approvingly as something for Christians to do, so it is not logical to say that the moral commandments found in God's law are not for the Christian. You wrote: "We are no longer married to Mr. Law. We are married to Mr. Grace." If we are talking about the Old Covenant, I was never "married" to it. Show me one place in Scripture where I as a Gentile was EVER under the Law of Moses, before or after my conversion. You wrote: "If we are going to be under the Law, we must be under all of it - ceremonial, moral, and civil. We cannot pick and choose what parts of the Law we can be under." Again, I was never UNDER the Law of Moses, but we are always subject to God's moral commandments, whether Jew or Gentile. However, please support from the Bible your apparent view that the moral rules set forth by God are indivisible from the sacrificial and ceremonial rituals he gave to the nation of Israel. --Joe! |
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