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1 | Which is first, wrath or Grace? | Rom 2:2 | DPMartin | 234399 | ||
Beja thanks for the reply How can it be that we don’t need mercy when scripture says this: (KJV) ******************** Mt:5:7: Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Mt:9:13: But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Mt:23:23: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Lk:1:50: And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. Lk:1:54: He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy; Lk:1:72: To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; Lk:1:78: Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, *************** Why it is that the “Mercy seat” covers the ark of the covenant, and the law therein, and the Lord God said He would appear (Ex:25:22) and meet with them, meaning Israelites, if Mercy isn’t needed? Theory isn’t Truth, at best it is merely what men imagine something they don’t know to be, and in that, is no revelation that is of the Lord God, is there? And scripture is all about the Living Almighty God and His relationship with His People, which is revelation of the Lord God to His People, not theory. I do believe even in philosophy circles, theory is theory, and knowledge or knowing, is revelation, but don’t hold me to that. You said : “we know that God's wrath comes in response to sin” Sorry its your belief that God's wrath comes in response to sin. If that were true then what is Jesus’ offering on the Cross all about? Granted, Jesus suffered in our place, but wasn’t that act the Mercy of God to have His Son His only begotten Son suffer in our place? And isn’t it so that all manner of “sin” shall be forgiven unto men, (Mt:12:31) How is that is a response of wrath to sin? The Lord God’s response to sin through His Son is Mercy and Forgiveness to the point where the forgiven’s sins are forgotten. Nobody said there isn’t wrath, but most of that has been men to men, not God to men. At least as of yet. It would seem that the wrath would be toward the refusal of the Presence of His Holy Son our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in the world. |
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2 | Which is first, wrath or Grace? | Rom 2:2 | BradK | 234405 | ||
Hello DP Martin, I think Beja has provided you a solid response:-) If I may, I too am "not quite following you" with the multiple points your making. Maybe you could clarify? You stated, "Sorry its your belief that God's wrath comes in response to sin. If that were true then what is Jesus’ offering on the Cross all about?" Perhaps you're confusing things a bit? My question would be, why isn't this true? Doesn't scripture state clearly in Rom. 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness," (NASB) So, His wrath is against, all ungodliness and unrighteousness... in other words, sin! Wrath is one of the lesser understood attributes of God! It's certainly not popular in our culture. Allow me to share one of my favorites quotes form A. W. Pink in his book, "The Attributes of God"- "It is sad to find so many professing Christians who appear to regard the wrath of God as something for which they need to make an apology, or at least they wish there were no such thing. While some would not go so far as to openly admit that they consider it a blemish on the Divine character, yet they are far from regarding it with delight, they like not to think about it, and they rarely hear it mentioned without a secret resentment rising up in their hearts against it. Even with those who are more sober in their judgment, not a few seem to imagine that there is a severity about the Divine wrath which is too terrifying to form a theme for profitable contemplation. Others harbor the delusion that God’s wrath is not consistent with His goodness, and so seek to banish it from their thoughts... You also said, "Nobody said there isn’t wrath, but most of that has been men to men, not God to men." That's not quite true biblically, as Pink continues, "A study of the concordance will show that there are more references in Scripture to the anger, fury, and wrath of God, than there are to His love and tenderness. Because God is holy, He hates all sin; And because He hates all sin, His anger burns against the sinner: Psalm 7:11... Now the wrath of God is as much a Divine perfection as is His faithfulness, power, or mercy. It must be so, for there is no blemish whatever, not the slightest defect in the character of God; yet there would be if "wrath" were absent from Him!" Perhaps this will shed some light on your question. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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