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1 | Perseverance and the word given here? | Rom 15:5 | stjohn | 216404 | ||
I'll take your first answer, thanks! :-) Not to beleaguer the point, Tim, but I think you should think it over, as textually or otherwise, the second one, just doesn't make sense. Unless, you would qualify it to include only the "Unity" of thinking, as "one" of the gifts, along with, perseverance and encouragement. James 1:17 :-) John |
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2 | Perseverance and the word given here? | Rom 15:5 | brothersmith | 216441 | ||
I was taught along these lines, which is exactly why I posted. Interesting that you should say here that Perseverance and Encouragment are Gifts, which is exactly what I was taught about this verse. The idea being that the first part of the verse, although in prayer form is saying God gives us perseverance, as in a gift. Tim Moran seems to be saying that Paul is not writing right here of God specifically stating He is giving perseverance as a gift. Which is what has got me to pondering if Paul meant Endurance. I am still struggling with the concept that the Perseverance of the Saints is something God does. That being true, what exactly is this verse saying about God giving perseverance? |
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3 | Perseverance and the word given here? | Rom 15:5 | stjohn | 216448 | ||
Hi Bro. Smith, I was doing some more research on this verse and I think Tim was right on his interpretation in translation, though he just slightly misspoke in saying that perseverance and encouragement are "not" gifts, but only meaning that they are not the gifts spoken of in this verse, and what he later qualified as gifts spoken of in other parts of Scripture, which was my main contention though I still think this verse is somewhat ambiguous about just what are the gifts, as sometimes, (though inspired) the grammar of Scripture is not always perfect and, therefore a bit of a challenge at times, and I think John Gill hits on this idea as well. John Gill starts out by saying on Rom 15:5 where he writes of Paul: "he puts up a prayer to God for them, that such a temper of mind might be in them, which would be for the glory of God" Although perseverance and encouragement are spoken of as gifts in other parts of Scripture, in this particular verse the focus is more on the oneness or unity of mind between the two parties, Gentiles and Jews. Gill then goes on further in explanation and in the context of this chapter regarding the unity of all Christians, to say of verse 5 in Romans 15... Ver. 5. Now the God of patience and consolation,.... These titles and characters of God are manifestly used on account of what is before said concerning the Scriptures, and to show, that the efficacy and usefulness of them, in producing and promoting patience and comfort, entirely depend upon God the author of them: from exhorting, the apostle proceeds to petitioning; well knowing that all his exhortations would be of no avail without the power of divine grace accompanying them. The words are a prayer. The object addressed is described as "the God of patience", because he is the author and giver of that grace: it is a fruit of his Spirit, produced by the means of his word, called the word of his patience." I hope that clears things up a little bit and answers your question. But as for me; I don't really know "how" He gives us perseverance, but I know He does! :-) John |
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