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1 | To be saved must we be baptised? | Acts 2:38 | Morant61 | 78019 | ||
Greetings Disciplerami! Allow me touch briefly upon your questions. 1) Acts 2:38 - We have been down this path before! :-) Most translations, and rightfully so, try to be as literal as possible. A literal translation of Acts 2:38 simply translates the baptism clause as '...and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ...'. So, yes, this is a 'correct' translation as far as English goes. However, one cannot, on the basis of the English translation alone, determine that 'repent' is plural and 'be baptized' is singular. One must check the Greek to determine that point. At which point, one must interpret the passage according to the rules of Greek grammar, not English - since it was orginally written in Greek. 2) As for your second question, I do not believe that 'repentence' is a work. There are many synonymous terms which all describe that moment of faith - to believe, to hear, to accept, to receive, to repent, to turn, ect.... However, they all simply address our response to the gospel, not something which we must do to earn salvation. Acceptance of a gift is not a work. This is where we part company. You see a list of 'works' which we must do to qualify for salvation. I see a completed salvation which is given to us freely, not based upon anything we did or could do, but solely upon what Christ did. After we receive that gift of salvation, then there are things we are commanded to do as a result of the change in our lives. But, these 'things' do not add to our salvation in any way shape or form. I hope this is clear! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | To be saved must we be baptised? | Acts 2:38 | disciplerami | 78075 | ||
Dear Tim, You statement "Most translations, and rightfully so, try to be as literal as possible" is not addressing the issue. Your job is to show me any translation that depicts the passage as you render it. You can't do it: literal or non-literal translation. Second, the 'baptism clause' in its completeness does not end with '...', but includes 'for the remission of sins.' I asked about the entire verse, is it translated correctly? Repentance is not a work? Really? To 'turn from sin' is not a work. If you want to take that path, then let me do so as well and say that 'baptism is not a work' and salvation follows. Since no one here has suggested that anything is done to "earn salvation", I think it shows a personal bias and is unfair to the other person. Neither I, nor anyone else on this forum, has ever suggested that repentance or baptism is about 'earning salvation', so why even bring it up? We will both attack that straw man. :) "Acceptance of a gift is not a work". Call if what you want, but it's what you must do. "After we RECEIVE" Here's one of my problems with such arguments. The Bible doesn't just tell us to 'receive' Christ, it tells us HOW to receive Christ. You and others can talk about the necessity of ACCEPTING CHRIST into your hearts, but you don't tell me how that is done. Excuse me, but you do. When pressed for an answer, we are told to pray and ask Jesus into our hearts. Give me Scripture and then tell me that the necessity to pray isn't a work. Put your hand on the radio or computer monitor and pray with me... I understand your desire to credit God completely for your salvation; I have the same desire. My forgiveness is not by works of righteousness, but by faith in Christ. But without the works, there is NO FAITH. Good day to you, Disciplerami |
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3 | To be saved must we be baptised? | Acts 2:38 | Morant61 | 78087 | ||
Greetings Disciplerami! Then, no matter how you cut it, you believe that someone is saved by a combination of what we do and what Christ did. Scripture plainly denies this my friend! According to Eph. 2:8-10, 'works' do not result in faith, but faith results in 'works'. As far as Acts 2:38 goes my friend, I have made my case and there really isn't any point in continuing on in circles neverending! :-) The English translation is accurate, but English DOES NOT HAVE exact forms to identify the person and number of verbs. Greek does! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | To be saved must we be baptised? | Acts 2:38 | CDBJ | 78162 | ||
Hi Tim, I came across a section on the Internet the other day that makes a lot of sense by Charles T. Buntin. In all the vastness of our world, in all of the diversity of religious beliefs, there are only two essential types of belief, works and Grace. There seem to be many differences between the world’s religions, but they are all essentially the same they all center around human works. All involve human beings accomplishing a task or set of tasks to achieve a goal and receive a reward. The tasks may be different, the goal may have differing names, and the reward may be called many things (Heaven Paradise, Nirvana), but the principle underlying all of them is the same Quid Pro Quo, which is Latin for this for that. In the world’s religions, salvation (righteousness, oneness with the Infinite, perfect nothingness, or whatever is the term in a particular religion) is earned by what one does. Unfortunately, within this group of religions based on human effort are many species of religion that go by the name of Christianity. Paradigm 1:Works (Followed by most religions, including much of so-called Christianity.) World Religions Pseudo Christian Version We work our way to God, salvation, Nirvana, Paradise In salvation, we are returned to where Adam was before the Fall. God (or whatever represents deity) judges our progress as we go along Even after salvation, We still have God as our Judge Attainment of Godhood, salvation, Paradise, Nirvana depends upon us Our will and our efforts determine whether or not we go to heaven Paradigm 2: Salvation by GRACE 1) Salvation is 100 percent a work of God we are unable, because of our bondage to sin and rebellion, to do anything meriting God’s favor. (2) God reaches down to save people He conceived the plan, He sent His Son to accomplish the plan He does 100 percent of the work. (3) When we experience what the Bible calls the New Birth (Jn 3:3-8), we are then SAVED, we pass from death to life (Eph 2:1-6, Jn 5:24, 6:40, 6:47). (4) As a part of the gift of Salvation, we become adopted children of God (Gal 3:26-4:7). (5) When we sin, God deals with us as a Father to a child (Heb 12:4-8). (6) God’s Grace and actions are the determining factors in our salvation, even to include His working in our lives to develop a lifestyle consistent with salvation. (Eph 2:8-10, Phil. 2:12-13) You might ask, If this is all a work of God, where do I fit in the process? The answer is you must believe, you must exercise faith in Christ for salvation. (Rom 10:9-13, Acts 16:30-31). This exercise is not a work, however, because is involves no ability on our part and no effort on our part. That is the hard thing to understand about faith it is not an action, it is a surrender, a throwing up of the hands and saying, I can do nothing in myself. Tim, I think one of the big problems is that we get into discussions with people that have studied the Bible and have verses that they use to back up their pet humanistic assumptions but if they aren’t truly saved yet by GRACE they can’t really know what the truth is and no matter how hard we try they will never understand us until God reveals the truth to them. Since God resist arrogance they probably never will come to the knowledge of the truth because they are still depending on their doing something no matter how much they use the name of Jesus and falsely claim they are trusting in him. Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Until the Father reveals truth to them we are like beating our heads on a brick wall. People cannot comprehend the function of God’s grace until He does the work in them; it is the same as trying to talk to a dead man, they can’t hear it. 1 Cor. 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. CDBJ |
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5 | To be saved must we be baptised? | Acts 2:38 | Morant61 | 78168 | ||
Greetings CDBJ! I have to admit, I have been a bit suprized at the number of people who believe that either a) we have to do something to be saved, or b) we have to do something to stay saved. The human response to God's grace seems to be, "But, it can't be that easy!" :-) Yet, it is! He did all the work, we don't need to, nor can we do any of it. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | To be saved must we be baptised? | Acts 2:38 | CDBJ | 78177 | ||
There are going to be a lot of surprised people when Jesus responds to the many wonderful works that were all done in conjunction with his name. Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. There are those that have accused me of being narrow minded because I can’t see thing their way but the problem is their way leads to death. Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. CDBJ |
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7 | To be saved must we be baptised? | Acts 2:38 | disciplerami | 78201 | ||
I have to agree with you. I pray that He knows me. | ||||||