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1 | To be saved must we be baptised? | Acts 2:38 | Morant61 | 77940 | ||
Greetings Disciplerami! I think that you are misunderstanding Thayer's point. Mt. 18:35 is an example of what he is talking about. "??This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.?" 'Forgive' is plural and 'your' heart is plural, but the phrase 'each his brother' is singular and appositional. It interupts the sentence. However, Thayer is not saying that a singular verb can take a plural pronoun as it's antecedent. The rules of grammar do not allow that kind of mixing. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | To be saved must we be baptised? | Acts 2:38 | disciplerami | 77966 | ||
Greetings Tim, I'm not misunderstanding Thayer's point. The appositional phrase "be baptized each one of ye" relates to the same people as those who were commanded "repent ye." That's what an appositional phrase does. I understand his point all too well. Thayer clearly shows, contrary to what you've been asserting for two years, that HEKASTOS (each one) is used alongside the PLURAL nouns, pronouns, and verbs. As for your statement that "Thayer is not saying that a singular verb (I assume you mean 'be baptized') can take a plural pronoun as its antecendent.' No one said this. The plural pronoun is not antecedent, it follows the singular verb: baptistheito hekastos HUMON. The plural pronoun follows, no one has said it is antecedent. The antecedent of the plural pronoun is the singular verb. The singular verb is followed by HEKASTOS, emphasizing the entire YE. Acts 2:3 is a verse that follows the same pattern. The appositional phrase "it sat upon each of one them" has the singular verb, and HEKASTOS, and the plural pronoun (just as we see in Acts 2:38). This appositional phrase of Acts 2:3 corresponds to "there appeared unto them cloven tongues" having a verb 3rd person plural and plural pronoun. Same pattern as we find in Acts 2:38. The Greek is fine and the translation depicts exactly what it says in the Greek. MAIN POINT: The same group that 'tongues' appeared to are the same ones 'it lit' upon. And in 2:38, the same ones being commanded to repent and the same ones being commanded to be baptized. To others who are interested, read post 77890 and 77929 |
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3 | To be saved must we be baptised? | Acts 2:38 | Morant61 | 77989 | ||
Greetings Disciplerami! Let me try on more time! Show me a verse, where 'each' is used, that follows this pattern: "Each of you they receive...." This is what you are claiming for Acts 2:38. Each time 'each' is used, all of the pronouns and verbs associated with it are singular in number. The 'each' clause can appear in the middle of a sentence, but everything associated with that clause will be singular in number. You wrote: "The plural pronoun follows, no one has said it is antecedent. The antecedent of the plural pronoun is the singular verb. The singular verb is followed by HEKASTOS, emphasizing the entire YE." This is not what Thayer claimed for 'each'. He said that 'each' can be used alongside plural pronouns and verbs in an appositional sense. He did not say that each can then be referred to by a plural pronoun. Each is singular, not plural. I realize that your doctrinal beliefs depend upon this ungrammatical interpretation of Acts 2:38, but it just doesn't work. Thayer is saying that 'each' is appositional in this case, which is what I have been claiming all along! ;-) I have to get ready for small group my friend! I'm sure that we will chat more later. If necessary, I'll start charting out each use of 'each' in the NT, and show you what I mean! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | To be saved must we be baptised? | Acts 2:38 | flinkywood@hotmail.com | 78000 | ||
Hey, guys, I've been sporadically watching this string get stringier and stringier. Remember the thief on the cross? "One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, "Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!" But the other answered, and rebuking him said, "Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? "And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong." And he was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!" And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise." (Luk 23:39-43) Jesus didn't mention baptism. Then there's Acts: and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house. And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household. And he brought them into his house and set food before them, and rejoiced greatly, having believed in God with his whole household. (Act 16:30-34) So believe, speak, then baptize, if you can baptize, but it's not necessary for salvation. Imagine you're in a foxhole under an artillery barrage. Your buddy leads you to Christ but says you've got to go jump in a lake. You, wanting to be with the Lord, sprint towards that body of water 100 yards hither and are hit in the bean and blown to vapor. Next thing you know you're with the Lord, who tells you that your buddy was dead wrong. Ouch. |
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5 | To be saved must we be baptised? | Acts 2:38 | sniper | 78005 | ||
Flinkywood, If you will do a thorough search of all the posts on baptism, you will find that your arguments are answered Biblically and refuted. God Bless. |
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