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1 | filled and upon mean the same thing | John 7:39 | Ray | 112934 | ||
Hi Itiswritten, Sorry I could not answer you last night as I spent a lot of it in the emergency room of a hospital again. I'll try and answer you now, after sleeping all day. I don't want to argue about anything, either. I certainly believe in the triune God and believe in the Holy Spirit as a Person. But we differ in that I do rely on capitalization to decide what the meaning of a word is in a text. I believe that the word of God speaks of the Spirit and the spirit, a man and the Man, a rock and the Rock, etc, etc, and each man has to test the spirits. Each man has to test the words to determine what He believes about God. For instance, the Jehovah's Witness has tested the word and has decided that Jesus was a god [sic]. I, on the other hand, as one relying on capitalization have determined that the Word was God and this One was in the beginning with God. Also as a counter of pronouns of Deity, I would give praise to the triune God that the pronoun total for John 1:1-3 is divisible by three. I believe that there must have been discussions similar to ours since biblical times. I believe that the differences in manuscripts, ones which omit pronouns or add pronouns of Deity are indications that "these things" have been discussed. 1) 1 Corinthians 2:9, "but just as it is written, "Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard, and which have not entered the heart of man, all that God has prepared for those who love (Him)."" The manuscripts differ for the next verse, verse 10. For example, the NKJ has five pronouns and the NASB only four. This difference is not one of translation but rather is one of interpretation and number of pronouns. What do you think? How do you interpret this passage? How would you look at a comparison of verse 11 with 16? Have we received the Spirit or the spirit? Are we taught by the Spirit or the Holy Spirit? 2) Cor 2:13, NASB, "which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words." 1 Cor 2:13, NKJ, "These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual." I believe that he who is spiritual needs to discern all things. I believe also that each of us can not know (discern) the thoughts of the other. The only way to know is to discuss these things. 1 Cor 2:15,16. From the heart, Ray |
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2 | filled and upon mean the same thing | John 7:39 | itiswritten | 113094 | ||
Hi Ray, Sorry to hear that you had a rough time. I want you to know that I do pray for you from time to time. Be that as it may...back to the subject at hand. I do not wish to convey that my bottom line is whether a particular scripture is written in capitals or not. I compare scripture and context and what other scriptures also say and I believe in testing the spirits also. That being said, I still believe the Holy Spirit is within me as He is in every believer in Christ Jesus who died for his/her sins and rose from the dead. I still say the Holy Spirit is a person Who is within me not because of captitalization but because it also says "Greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world." [1 John 4:4]among other scriptures. In comparing verses 11 and 16 of I Cor. 2, I would say verse 11 distinguishes man's spirit from God's Spirit. I also believe that when verse 16 speaks of the mind of the Lord and that we have the mind of Christ, I believe it means that because we have His Spirit within us we have access to the mind of Christ. The Holy Spirit also will remind us of all that we have learned from Him and from His Word.[John 14:26]. Sincerely, Itiswritten |
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3 | filled and upon mean the same thing | John 7:39 | Ray | 113129 | ||
Hi Itiswritten, Thank you for your post and I agree with you entirely. Of course I, however, would choose a version that capitalizes so that 1 John 4:4 would be even more clear. 1 John 4:4b, "...because greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world." You may be thinking that I do not see that God indwells us, but really I do. "Christ in me, the hope of glory" and having the Spirit of God in me are what determine my belonging to Him. God also comes UPON persons for special circumstance for service, also. But these are things that God does. The Holy Spirit falls on us, comes upon us, and the Spirit or the Spirit of God descended upon Jesus for His ministry. However, being FILLED with the Holy Spirit (holy spirit to my mind), is something that we are supposed to do. Also, the Scripture says that He gives the Spirit (spirit to my mind) without measure. My body could not contain all of God; no way. But I can fill my mind with spiritual things and have much more available to me for later study. We can be filled with a spirit of wisdom or a spirit of love. But to be filled with the Spirit; no way. That is my understanding and why I listed the references for being filled with the holy spirit. From the heart, Ray |
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4 | filled and upon mean the same thing | John 7:39 | Morant61 | 113143 | ||
Greetings Ray! Just a quick note my friend! If you are speaking of Eph. 5:18, 'filled' is a passive verb. Therefore, it is not something that 'we' do. Rather, it is something done to us. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | filled and upon mean the same thing | John 7:39 | Ray | 113163 | ||
Hi Tim, Thank you for that information. My question would now be then, "Are we to be passively controlled by the Holy Spirit?" 1) Commentators like to change "filled with" to "controlled by". 2) I like the idea that you have expresssed that it is not something that initiated from us. But we are being told to imbibe fully, even get drunk with something or Someone. It makes more sense to me to get drunk on a spirit than a Spirit. 3) MacArthur's Study notes tell us for this verse that "He is rather giving a command for believers to live continually under the influence of the Spirit by letting the Word [sic] control them (see note on Col. 3:16)..." MacArthur's note on Col. 3:16. 3:16 word of Christ. This is Scripture, the Holy Spirit inspired Scripture, the word [sic] of revelation He brought into the world. dwell in you richly. See notes on Eph. 5:18. "Dwell" means "to live in" or "to be at home," and "richly" may be more fully rendered "abundantly or extravagantly rich." Scripture should permeate every aspect of the believer's life and control every thought, word, and deed (cf. Ps. 119:11; Matt. 13:9; Phil. 2:16; 2 Tim. 2:15). This concept is parallel to being filled with the Spirit [sic] in Eph. 5:18 since the results of each are the same. In Eph. 5:18, the power and motivation for all the effects is the filling of the Holy Spirit [sic]; here it is the word [sic] richly dwelling. Those two realities are really one. The Holy Spirit fills the life controlled by His Word [sic]. This emphasizes that the filling of the Spirit is not some ecstatic or emotional experience, but a steady controlling of the life by obedience to the truth of God's Word [sic]." 4) I agree with MacArthur, but find fault with his inconsistency in/by capitalization of the word of God, the Scriptures. My belief is that the Holy Spirit uses the Scriptures to fill us with His words. If the realities are really one, as MacArthur states, then I would say that we are filled with the holy spirit and the word of Christ dwells in us richly, without measure. From the heart, Ray |
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6 | Filled with His words? | John 7:39 | Ray | 150776 | ||
Reference #33761. Can I get some comments on my views expressed on this thread about McArthur's notes? From the heart, Ray |
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7 | Filled with His words? | John 7:39 | Batunde | 150839 | ||
The major ingredients of a service are exhaltation/preaching, prayer, singing songs in psalms and bible songs.I Cor. 14:23 and Eph. 5:19 The mode of worship must be in the spirit. Every service should be directed to worshiping Him, our everlasting father. God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth, God demands in John 4:24. All other things introduced into worship are at best worldly and at the worst idolatory and satanic. The church should stop all these gimmicks which is to appeal to membership drive. God is able to draw men unto himself. All the church need to do is to lift God up in quality worship through prayer and spririt filled songs. God is able to save by his Spririt. God knows the heart. | ||||||
8 | Filled with His words? | John 7:39 | Ray | 150846 | ||
Hi Batunde, Welcome to the forum. In reading your nine posts so far, I found a great variance in how you expressed things. I found them to vary as in how you spoke of "his Spirit" and "His Spirit". In how you saw James 1:22 as speaking about the Word rather than the word; just as examples. Therefore, I do not think that you are the one who can answer my question about the variances I see in McArthur's notes. I thought that your posts were good, so don't take my desire for another answerer personally. I would just desire from you a more consistent capitalization so that I could know if we were of a kindred spirit or not. I think that we are. From the heart, Ray |
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9 | Filled with His words? | John 7:39 | Batunde | 151024 | ||
Dear Ray, Sorry, I had already posted my note before I realised that your question was based on another thing entirely. I indeed goofed. I thought your question was on ingredients of service which I responded to. I do not, however, see how the other eight posts have relevance in this case as they were responses to different questions. God bless you. Yours in Him, Batunde |
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