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1 | God's fair standards to judge evildoers | John 5:28 | EdB | 232585 | ||
Again I do not see a standard of judgement that God will use on those that do not know the name of the Jesus. | ||||||
2 | God's fair standards to judge evildoers | John 5:28 | Beja | 232588 | ||
EdB, Here is a conclusion Paul draws from what he has previously argued in Romans 1:18-32 Rom 2:2 And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things. Based on Romans 2:2 would you still argue that we see nothing regarding God's standard of judgement on these people from this section of Romans? In Christ, Beja |
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3 | God's fair standards to judge evildoers | John 5:28 | EdB | 232591 | ||
Beja I evidently upset you and that was never my intention. I don't know what I did but I'm sorry that it upset you. That said I see Romans 1:18-32 addressing people that deny the existence of God. I think that is far different than acknowledging God but not knowing Jesus Christ. I could be wrong but I think there is a difference. Let us look at the question I was addressing. "There are two kinds of people: those who had a chance to hear Jesus' good news and those who didn't. Don't you think God will judge the latter by different standards rather than their decision of rejecting Jesus as Messiah when they never had a chance to hear about Jesus? As for your argument "before Jesus people are judged on whether they saw their righteousness in themselves or looked to a Messiah," not all but some religions looked to a Messiah for atonement of their sins, I think." I think this question is now including people groups that believe or fear God such as the Jew but have never heard of Jesus. Which I guess is possible in a closed modern Jewish family today. I said I don't know how God will judge them because I don't think the Scripture specifically speaks to the situation. However I did very clearly point out that Jesus did say he was the way and to come to the Father we must go through Him. If there is something wrong with that answer please explain it to me. And again I am sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way. |
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4 | God's fair standards to judge evildoers | John 5:28 | Beja | 232596 | ||
EdB, RESPONSE PART 1 I'm the one at fault. Yesterday I drove a two hour round trip to take a 3.5-4 hour exam. My responses to you were shortly after I had returned home and apparently all of my patience was spent. I did not actually feel angry in every way. But every time I had finished writing a reply I couldn't help but notice that my exhausation was evident in my tone no matter how much I didn't intend for it to be. I finally decided it best that I didn't reply. So I am the one who has need to apologize, and I do. Let me say what I think the root of your error is, and perhaps that will explain why I don't have much desire to entire a large discussion concerning this. Your root mistake is that you think people will be judged only on accepting or receiving Christ. This is an error. Those who are judged to eternal condemnation will be judged for their sins. Romans 3:23 says that the wages of sin is death. Paul does not present this as something that has pased away with the work of Christ. It is present tense. Both before and after Christ we are judged for our sins. 2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. It is my theory that because you reject this notion before you ever come to Romans 1:18-32 therefore you can not read it for what it plainly says. Because its plain sense goes against your previous notions. The reason I do not wish to get into a debate over this question is because we have done so once before on this forum if I am not mistaken. There is no merit to hashing it out all over again. I'm writing my exposition of Romans 1 and its relevence in a following post, it made this one too long. In Christ, Beja |
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5 | God's fair standards to judge evildoers | John 5:28 | EdB | 232598 | ||
Beja Yes we have a fundamental difference in our theology. I see Jesus dying for the sins of the world and judgment for the unsaved at the Great White Throne of Judgment where those whose name is not written in the Lamb’s Book of Life are cast into the Lake of Fire. Rev 20:11-14. Since we all have sinned and have fallen short and one sin is equal to another I see us all condemned, the difference is those of us that have believed in Jesus Christ. John 3:16 I see the passage you pointed to in 2 Cor 5:10 as speaking only to those that are in Christ where we will stand before our Savior and have our works judged not for damnation but as the refining process where the wood, hay and stubble is burned from our lives leaving nothing but pure refined gold. Now going to Romans 1:18-32 nature truly defines and testifies of God that is certain but it does not testify of Jesus Christ who must be believed in, John 3:16. Some one could be a good Jew and worship God with all his heart, live as righteous as humanly possible and even realize his salvation is not in himself but instead must be realized in a Messiah. He could do all of that and have never heard of Jesus Christ the Son of God. While his outcome may be the same as those listed in Roman 1:18-32 I don’t think he fits in the same category. In fact as best I can tell scripture does not address how those people will be dealt with. Again I’m not talking of a the average sinner that has been exposed to knowledge of Jesus Christ or of the person that denies even the existence of God. I’m talking of the person that truly loves God but for whatever reason has never heard of Jesus Christ. |
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