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1 | The origin of God and His identity. | John 1:1 | BradK | 150775 | ||
Hi terrib, I think there are at least a couple points I can offer to consider. 1. Colossians 1:16 says "For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on the earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him." See also Psalm 148:2–5 and Neh. 9:6. I do not believe there is a specific time given. 2. Scripture does not directly tell us that God was alone before the world was created. I think Gen. 1:1 a fair starting point to ponder. However, it can be legitimately deduced because we know that God is eternal.(Ex. 3:14, John 8:58, Rev. 1:8) It is one of His attributes. God is outside of time. Because God has no beginning and no ending, He can know no change. He is everlastingly "the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning" (James 1:17. Col. 1:17 further tells us that, "...He is before all things, and in Him all things consist". If you have any other thoughts or comments, please let me know. BradK |
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2 | The origin of God and His identity. | John 1:1 | terrib | 150779 | ||
Hi BradK, Thanks for the verses. I guess I didn't mention the purpose for the questions in my other post, sorry. Sometimes I get pretty well focused on some things and I write as though a conversation is in progress. I was mostly referencing the article you posted: "Arthur Pink in his wonderful, time-tested exposition, "The Attributes of God", comments on the Solitariness of God:", because I thought it was quite presumptuous for it to state that God was alone before the world was created and that there were no angels and I just wanted some Scriptural references. Just from seeing the love He has for us just doesn't seem like a God that would be without objects for Him to display His affection toward. Truly we see darkly, terrib |
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3 | The origin of God and His identity. | John 1:1 | BradK | 150783 | ||
Hi terrib, I can understand where you're coming from. Meditating on God's attributes is an often neglected thing- for all of us. ( We just completed this book on His attributes as an off-shoot to our study on Sound Doctrine!) If you haven't, get a copy of "The Attributes of God" by Pink. It's also available online at www.pbministers.org/books/pink/attributes. The point Pink makes- and I think very wisely said- is that "God is no gainer from our worship. (Neh. 9:5). He was in no need of that external glory of His grace which arises from his redeemed, for He is glorious enough in Himself without that." The hard thing for us to grasp is that "it is impossible to bring the Almighty under obligations to the creature; God gains nothing from us". (See Rom. 11:34-35) Job 35:7-8 says, "If thou be righteous, what givest thou him? Or what receiveth he of thy hand? Thy wickedness may hurt a man as thou art; And thy righteousness may profit a son of man." Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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4 | The origin of God and His identity. | John 1:1 | terrib | 150785 | ||
Hi BradK, RE post: "The hard thing for us to grasp is that "it is impossible to bring the Almighty under obligations to the creature; God gains nothing from us". (See Rom. 11:34-35)" Yes, absolutely! And that was never an intension in any of my posts, and I hope none other on this forum. Indeed the best is in the next verse: Rom 11:36(KJV) “For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.” I think what got me to meditate on these things is what is said in Jude 1:6: "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." The phrase "but left" really grabbed me, as being on their own accord did they leave. And the Scriptures do not say when this happened but we see the Tempter in the garden with Adam and Eve, so I was deducing that they would have left "their first estate" before the creation of the world. Since the command to Adam was to be fruitful and multiply, which had not happen yet, which in itself may not be correct because we see Adam had other children which may not be mentioned because of importance of lineage, but surely the firstborn of man is usually mentioned in Scripture and would most likely have been mentioned and rightly so Cain is (Gen 4:1). Since the command be fruitful and multiply was given (Gen 1:28), and being still the sixth day, the assertion here is that Adam was physically able to perform this function. So, since Adam and Eve had not yet acquired any offspring the time in the garden before expulsion seems to have been short.(?) Since the abode of the angels was next to the throne of God (Rev 7:11) it is hard to conceive that in such a magnificent realm the angels would find themselves leaving the Throne of God in such a short period of time that it took to create the world, if the angels were created at this time, to the time of the tempting in the garden. Although, possibly through jealousy of seeing the power and creation of God may have seduced them to leave as we see some of the people in the New Testament desiring the power of God after seeing the miracles performed by the apostles (seven sons of Sceva). And so, we meditate on these things and worship our Lord and behold His grace and Majesty. If God wanted us to know what He did before the creation He would have told us for He is not a God of deception but of Truth. And yet in certain words and phrases used by the Holy Spirit in Scripture, God has given us certain impressions that demand our thoughts to be on Him and we see this through much of the poetry of David in the psalms and how he meditated on the Greatness of God using metaphors and similes. To be able to see the pulsing of the cells of a tree pumping water from deep inside the earth to the very tip of the highest branch and bringing life, to the constant orbit of the solar bodies is truly God’s Magnificence. And how much more are we than they! Nothing of the above is, in any way, to be rendered as taking anything away from the Throne of Grace and His purpose in us through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen. I am awake, He is there. I am asleep, He is there. I am alive, He is there. I am dead, He is there. I am alive again for He is there. terrib |
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5 | The origin of God and His identity. | John 1:1 | Wild Olive Shoot | 150831 | ||
Just to add to thought. I was referred to Job 38:1-7 The NIV states "angels" but most other translations say "sons of God". This took place as God was unfolding His creation? WOS |
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6 | The origin of God and His identity. | John 1:1 | terrib | 150833 | ||
Hi WOS, Thank you for the Scripture verses. Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? And so it is said: Jer 10:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. Psa 145:6 And men shall speak of the might of thy terrible acts: and I will declare thy greatness. Your brother, terrib |
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